Top 10 Heavyweight rankings in depth discussion - Chisora is still top 10. Prove me wrong!

1. Oleksander Usyk - Hasn't done much since beating Joshua 2nd time, but he schooled AJ twice recently enough, which is more impressive Fury's win over Wilder in the 3rd fight where he was almost KO'd. We all know this is true.

2. Anthony Joshua - His calibre of opponent wasn't amazing, but he was utterly dominant over them. His absolute obliteration of Ngannou who only lost an SD with Fury... I'd say that win kind of implies Joshua is now above Fury level until proven otherwise really. Based on performances and activity alone, Joshua has to be here. Franklin, Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou. After a disappointing UD vs Franklin, he's brutally KO'd 3 good opponents and has avoided defeat since fighting Usyk. These last 3 victories Joshua has had are considerably better than anything Fury has done since he fought Wilder last.

3. Joseph Parker - Convincing victory over Zhang which was better than Hrgovic's, which was arguably a draw. Obliteration of Wilder. The wins on paper may have seen more impressive than the actual victories as Wilder was a questionable version of himself, but Zhang and Wilder's lack of willingness to throw was largely down to Parker's vastly improved movement, which at one point was non-existent. Parker's recent wins are far more impressive than anything fury has done in 4 years. Yes he lost to Joyce, but he's improved massively since then with a better trainer.

4. Tyson Fury - Since his victory over glass jawed whyte who lost to shot Povetkin, Fury has a meaningless win over Chisora and an embarrassing SD victory over Ngannou. On performances alone, you cannot really say he's really looked worth of being a champion since he beat Wilder 2.5 years ago. I've seen nothing remotely impressive since the 3rd fight vs Wilder which he almost lost. He hasn't looked like the Fury we really loved since feb 2020 when he was a beast, but since then has looked 30% as good as he was before. That being said, no one below him here has done anything worth being above him. He'd almost certainly beat anyone below here if he fought seriously.

5. Zhang Zhelei - Boring vs Parker, but still got two knockdowns and did well in early rounds and still coming off two dominant victories over Joe Joyce. His victories over Joyce IMO put him above Hrgovic who still owes Zhang a rematch IMO due to ridiculous scorecards flattering Hrgovic. Parker was just a bad stylistic match up for him. Parker was too quick and small and Zhang was exhausting energy trying to keep up. Against bigger opponents Zhang is less hesitant to throw as proven vs Joyce and Hrgovic. You may disagree, but two wins over joyce in 2023 vs wins vs De Mori and McKean? lol.

6. Joe Joyce - Horrible stylistic match up vs Zhang for him, but he still got a good win over Parker at one point and is still a dangerous fighter. His static style make it so he relies on his chin which holds up against everyone besides Zhang who has insane power and can actually throw multiple bombs unlike Wilder. Dubois, Takam and Parker is still a better resume than most here. No one else could crack Joyce's chin like Zhang as proven when he shrugged off Parker's best shots. Joyce would still be a difficult fight for anyone besides Usyk.

7. Filip Hrgovic - You could make a decent argument that Hrgovic earned his win over Zhang in the later rounds, but that's not particularly impressive. Still, it's a good win against a good opponent, but not as impressive as Zhang's wins over Joyce which have come more recently. Besides scraping a win vs Zhang he's got a win against De Mori and Mckean. Not impressive. His win over Zhang puts him in the mix but he's yet to prove himself above Joyce and Zhang IMO.

8. Agit Kabayel - Hasn't had a great calibre of opponent but a dominant win over Makhmudov. Makhmudov got a dominant win over Takam including two knockdowns, so Makh is consinderably above Takam level. Agit beat him comfortably, so he proved he's miles above the Takam/Chisora level, which is the calibre of opponent the below fighters have their best wins over. Makh is a more impressive win than anyone below here has managed recently, but there's really nothing else to right home about for him.

9. Andy Ruiz - In the last 4 years he has a good win vs 77 year old Ortiz, but this is still a better victory than anyone below, but considering how incredibly inactive he's been, I cannot confidently rate him because you just don't know with Ruiz. He only beat Ortiz because Ortiz is shot and he got knocked down 3 times, without the KD's, Ortiz was outboxing him to a victory. But that being said, beating Ortiz with 3 knockdowns is more impressive by far than anything anyone outside the top 10 here has done, and it still only happened 1.5 years ago. Ruiz still has the talent.

10. Derek Chisora - That's right. Chisora. In his last 5 fights (Parker, Parker, Pulev, Fury, Washginton), IMO he has 3 good results - IMO he at the VERY least deserved a draw in the first Parker fight. It was a close fight and he scorecards were ridiculously generous to Parker. He has since beaten Pulev and Washington. No one below this line has a single victory more impressive than his last 3 wins. Pulev, Washginton and a close fight with Parker is better than Takam (who Chisora previous beat, and Takam beat Yoka), Yoka, Ajagba, fatass Miller. On top of this Chisora has a history of fighting top level opponents, and has wins over Price and Szpilka. A long time ago some of these victories but the below fighters haven't got a depth of experience and have no impressive victories.
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Anyone below this line simply just isn't proven in anyway because of their calibre of victories.

You're all gonna get triggered, but please tell me how any fighter has a better recent resume Parker, Washginton and Pulev?

If I had to put anyone as 10th it would probably be Ruiz, despite his activity level. No one below has done enough to surpass Ruiz or Chisora despite their inactivity or losses.

Some honourable mentions.

Martin Bakole - Wins vs Yoka and Takam. Nothing too special but I'm not convinced Dubois or Sanchez have better wins to brag about. Bakole is above Takam level. That is all he has proven.

Frank Sanchez - I'm putting him here based primarily on my observations of his skills. How much of a good win Ajagba is is debatable. His win over Fa isn't exactly amazing considering Fa got KO'd in one round vs McKean.

Dubois - Has potential but has no wins of much value. His best win was 400lbs Miller. But I suppose Miller is a better victory than anyone below. Lerena and Bryan are below Takam level. Miller was an ok opponent but nothing to write home about. Lerena almost ko'd him in 1 round. I'm not that impressed yet.

Beyonce Wilder - How impressive his 1 round KO vs Helenius was is up to you to decided, but not enough for me, especially considering his dreadful performance vs Parker.

 

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Who should be above Ruiz then?

 

You have to prove it to me though. Who have those others guys beaten to prove it? Dubois has beaten Miller who's no higher than Pulev/Washington. Bakole's best win is Takam who is beneath Chisora level. Gassiev got beat by Wallin.

Those guys you've mentioned, who is their best win? They've beaten no one better than Chisora.

 

Name me one fighter any of those guys have beaten who's better than Chisora?

 

I understand but no one below him on this list has a win as good as Ortiz in the last 2 years. Ortiz was still a good fighter in 2022. Shot and easy to knockdown but a great boxer with awesome power.

Ortiz would probably still beat anyone below Ruiz on this list.

 

Wilders wins over ortiz are irrelevant because they happened 5-6 years ago. Current Wilder could lose a 3rd fight with Ortiz at this point.

Yoka lost to Takam so Bakole's best win is Takam who hasn't proven himself above Chisora level.

Ruiz may have been inactive, but the reality is he beat Ortiz in the last 1.5 years, so it's stil a fight that is relevant and IMO is a better recent win then anyone below him on this list.

I still think Ruiz would beat anyone below him on this list.