If AJ gets another shot at Usyk...what could he do differently?

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  1. Boxingiq2020

    Boxingiq2020 Active Member Full Member

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    They say styles make fights...
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No one can beat prime Usyk. Usyk from Gassiev fight is unbeatable. Hell maybe Usyk from AJ 1 fight is unbeatable.

    Current Usyk is 37 years old, and his best days are behind him. This is clear. Even in the second AJ fight, it was more to Usyk being on the decline, due to age, wars, etc, etc.

    Now saying all that. AJ always improve his game and find where he make mistakes and try to get better. He is the only in the HW division that does that. Maybe Parker as well.

    If they fight today i think AJ will win, due to Usyk age and decline, nothing else.

    As far as what is different with AJ and what he can do differently i think we see one big difference in him compare to the Usyk fight is and that he is going hard to the body with the backhand. He was mostly jabbing to the body before to set up the right hand on top, but he is now using the straight right to the body, and that shot literally kills Wallin. He is also using his attributes more now. He is using his range, his height and his reach now more, which is obvious. He reduce the hook and uppercut thrown, and it's focusing on his jab and straight right hand. I think he improve overall his game. Prolly has better defense, footwork, speed, power, explosiveness, strength, all of it. But that is to be expected. He is in the prime of his career and it's pushing hard for it. he will be like that maybe this and next year, and then goes on the decline.
     
  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't try to outbox Usyk (which was never going to work.) Bully the smaller man. Make it an ugly FIGHT. Not a boxing match. A FIGHT. Dig hooks to the body from the start of round one. Rough him up in clinches. Make every punch count.

    Ben Davison has already said he'd love to get Joshua in the ring with Usyk again.

    Davison has Usyk figured out. (Everyone does, now.) Even the WBC is demanding video replays for the Fury-Usyk fight to determine if a blow was to the groin or now.

    If someone has a great chin, they tend to have a weakness elsewhere. With Oleksandr, it's his glass belly. And Joshua spent the previous 24 rounds (with other trainers) trying to jab and outbox him.

    You don't try to turn a natural KO puncher into a boxer, particularly when he's the bigger man.
     
  4. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ could only beat Usyk if he significantly declines IMO.
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Only age is what can stop Usyk beating Aj
    He's getting old

    If Aj flattened him.next year? I would still class him as better, he proved it twice already

    Aj is still physically in his prime, unlike usyk and Fury. Though I still stink both beat him, it is as one sided now and Aj does have a chance

    Edit

    Just to be clear, Usyk would still win at 90%
    Aj beating former sparring partner and a punching bag has no bearing to how he performs vs usyk

    Just shows what careful match making and being fully prepared can do

    Let's see him in with Parker and Hrgovic and see I he can blow these guys away
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    He could lose faster
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    He could get stopped next time. He is never beating Usyk.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Weird how no one is saying AJ needs to rematch J-Park because that wasn't the real J-Park he beat the first time or this new Andy Lee trained J-Park is the complete version who has realized his full potential despite the fact that the new J-Park has beaten better or far better opponents during his comeback run than Franklin, a shot last minute replacement glass-jawed Helenius, featherfist Wallin who AJ had already beaten twice in the amateurs and sparred over 150 rounds against, rounds he was in control according to Richie Woodhall, and rank novice Ngannou who even in E-Hearn's own words could lose to anyone in the top 100 and who anyone with a brain knew would get sparked by any of the big punchers in the division.

    And let's not forget that J-Park fought AJ in his backyard which was heavily stacked against him with one of E-Hearn's refs in toe who wouldn't allow J-Park to fight in close.

    As said, there isn't another dimensions, reality or universe where AJ would ever have to beat Usyk twice, let alone three times. Had he just edged him once with everything heavily stacked in his favour he would receive full credit for doing so and Usyk would never have been given a rematch, let alone whooped him twice in Usyk's backyard with everything stacked heavily in Usyk's favour. That would be the end of it. Done and dusted. Rivalry over. AJ is the better man.

    He's 1-1 against Fat Andy including getting bounced up and down off the canvas and stopped by him in the first fight, which FTR is the only time AJ has pulled an Usyk and fought in his opponent's backyard, and stinking the joint out in the rematch by running like a thief in the night against a Fat Andy who trained at Burger King but that rivalry is over. AJ and E-Hearn have no interest in a rubber match to try and prove who the better man is even though that wasn't the real Fat Andy he ran from all night in the rematch

    AJ gets to roll the dice as many times as he wants until he secures the desired result but his beaten opponents only ever get one roll
     
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  9. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could hope Usyk declined enough.
    Usyk is on the wrong side of 35, so it's not out of the question.

    Let's hope he does not get another shot at Usyk. There was absolutely no (fan friendly) reason for the second fight, let alone a third. There are more interesting fights out there.
     
  10. rusev

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    Throw leather !
     
  11. sdot_thadon

    sdot_thadon Active Member Full Member

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    Sounds like we're already making excuses for Usyk just in case huh? There's no guarantee this fight will even happen again pending the outcome of the Fury fight. I'd love to see it but I've got a feeling we're only getting one of the 2 possible fights after that. Usyk is a good enough fighter that no one needs to cover for him this far in advance, you guys need to cover for these fake low blow tactics he pulls instead.
     
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  12. ILikeBoxingForRealz

    ILikeBoxingForRealz Active Member Full Member

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    Nothing. Usyk is all wrong for AJ. Any year any month. Any day
     
  13. MannyMMA

    MannyMMA Canelo fans are male swifties Full Member

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    Nothing, he can't beat Usyk. I liked Joshua and always thought he was a level above Fury and Wilder, even back when he lost to Ruiz. I've always maintained that he'd KO Wilder and the Fury fight would be close to 50/50 though I'd think he has a stylistic advantage. That being said Usyk is just better, if AJ opens up the way he did against Ngannou, he'd get countered and slept by Usyk. The same way I believe AJ is wrong for Fury, Usyk is wrong for AJ.
     
  14. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    When would AJ even end up fighting Usyk? Usyk has a two-way rematch clause with Fury, they will fight again after the first fight and look how many delays emerged just to get to fight 1? Who knows when fight 2 will really happen.

    Usyk will probably be at the point where he should retire after the Fury series win or lose.
     
  15. Serge

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    ''And Joshua has admitted he cannot enter the rematch using an overly-aggressive approach otherwise he will come unstuck for a second time. “We might have to box, that’s what he (Garcia) said," Joshua revealed during an interview with JD in a teaser of their upcoming ‘Road to Redemption’ video. “It depends what Usyk brings as well. “It’s like trying to swat a fly. You know, because I’m the bigger man, I’m gonna’ go in there and just swat this fly and it is going to die.

    "But you know how difficult it is to swat a fly because it moves around a lot and how energy-draining that is. I can’t just now come in and start boxing like Mike Tyson - it’s just not me - I have got to be the best me.''
     
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