I just watched Razor Ruddock fights with Tyson,Morrison and Lewis,do you think he was overrated?

This is exactly what I was alluding to when I said a handful of people enter mythical territory for Ruddock.

Like he gets a pass for poor performances post Tyson because Tyson beat the stuffing out of him, but Morrison doesn't get a pass after Bentt and Mercer beat the stuffing out of him?

The Mercer KO was one of the most savage losses ever seen in HW boxing and the ref was awfully incompetent. I would argue that took more out of Morrison than Ruddock's wars with Tyson. Morrison was already unconscious and falling to the canvas yet Mercer kept unloading heavy bombs straight to the head.

 

How many heavyweight champs might peak Ruddock have beaten? I think a bunch of them. He certainly had a puncher's chance against Patterson. Carnera, Braddock, Ingo, possibly. That smash was no joke. At one point, Patterson tried his hand at training Ruddock. That didn't last long. I'm guessing that Ruddock's lack of enthusiasm for training combined with Floyd's encroaching dementia put the kibosh on that arrangement.

 

The Bentt KO wasn’t much prettier. I think they cast him in the role of Sonny Liston purely off this result.

 

tak, był przereklamowany przed walką z Lewisem. Dziś może być niedoceniany. Z pewnością nie był zwykłym pałkarzem, ale nie był też zawodnikiem wszechstronnym. Był trochę jak Tommy Morrison, David Tua czy Andrew Gołota. Z niektórymi bokserami szło mu świetnie, z innymi źle, ponieważ miał ogromne zalety, ale nie był kompletny. Miał talent do Tysona w postaci Smash'a, ale te walki trochę go przeceniały. Przeciwko Lewisowi popełnił fatalny błąd, przechodząc ukośnie w lewo pod prawą ręką i to zakończyło walkę. W przypadku Morrisona, jak ktoś mądrze wspomniał, mogło to potoczyć się w obie strony. Moim zdaniem był lepszy od Rahmana, Briggsa, Mccalla czy Bruno. Nie był tak dobry jak Bowe czy Holyfield, chociaż mógł dać im świetną walkę. Skończyło się trochę za szybko, nie był pracowity.

 

I think being badly out of shape and extremely inactive were more of a problem than the Tyson fights. Plenty of fighters bounce back from kayo losses.

 

I would say both fighters were past their best when they fought eachother, didn't Morrison have early stages of Aids at this point ?

But regardless both men had alot of wear and tear at this point so it was a fairly even match up.

I don't think that makes Ruddock overrated though because he lost to Morrison, they're both huge punchers and were slugging it out anything can happen in that type of situation. Ruddock appeared to be on the verge of victory until Morrison pulled out one of the most eye catching left hooks you'll ever see.

 

hmm I can't think who Dokes beat to get that rating ? Have Holy a good scrap but not much else. Rudock was carefully managed

 

Dokes had won 15 of 16 going into this fight with the loss being to Holyfield. He was also the WBA "intercontinental" champ. It seems like a quantity over quality sort of thing. It makes sense winning some rounds against undefeated Holyfield then winning his next 4 would take him high. After the Ruddock loss Dokes reeled off another 9 in a row before getting his title shot.

 

“Yes, he was overrated before the fight with Lewis. Today it may be underestimated. He certainly wasn't an ordinary batter, but he wasn't a versatile player either. He was a bit like Tommy Morrison, David Tua or Andrew Gołota. He did great with some boxers, with others bad because he had huge advantages, but he was not complete. He had a talent for Tyson in the form of Smash, but these fights overrated him a bit. Against Lewis, he made a fatal mistake by moving diagonally to the left under his right hand and this ended the fight. In Morrison's case, as someone wisely mentioned, it could have gone both ways. In my opinion, he was better than Rahman, Briggs, Mccall or Bruno. He wasn't as good as Bowe or Holyfield, although he could have given them a great fight. It ended a little too fast, it wasn't busy.”

 

Overrated? I’d say he’s right where he’s meant to be usually. He’s about on that tier with guys like Lyle, Golota, Williams and Quarry, I’d like to have seen him fight Bowe or Holyfield.

 

You could be describing a bunch of guys at HW Foreman, Firpo, Peters etc and they all did alright lol.

 

He was a 2-1 favorite over Lewis, so I think we must conclude him to have been over rated at this point.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course.

 

Possibly, Holyfield had taken some of what Dokes had left out of him before the Dokes-Ruddock bout.

 

Lewis underrated at that point, too.

 

Quarry was certainly better than Ruddock. Lyle, too, IMO. Williams was better but not dramatically so, Golota probably thereabouts or perhaps a step below Ruddock at worst.