John Tate vs George Foreman

I have not seen a more inaccurate and stupid first paragraph.

Lyle vs Foreman was 5 rounds, not 3. You could've refreshed your memory (assuming you even watched the fight) by simply typing it into YouTube for free or checking the official record.

Tate was not standing toe to toe with Weaver the way Foreman was with Lyle. Tate was out boxing Weaver and then got caught with nasty shots before succumbing to a KO.

Ali did not "brutally KO" Foreman. Ali knocked him down and he remained conscious the entire time just barely missing the count. He wasn't on unsteady legs or glossy eyed, he was simply exhausted.

Nothing I wrote was a "blind dismissal". The only one who should be accused of having vision problems is the one who thought a 5 round fight was 3 rounds, or thinking getting off the floor to win makes someone equal in durability to someone who was brutally KOd. What you said simply didn't make any sense.

 

15 rounds Weaver vs Tate. Weaver hits much harder than Ali and Tate is most likely absolutely spent when he gets caught cold by a great puncher (He’d share a tier with top IMO) Ali not a particularly hard puncher KO’s Foreman in 7 rounds (1/2 the time) Lyle in a fight 1/3 of the length almost KO’s Foreman immediately with one of the first right hands landed while they’re feeling one another out. I don’t understand how they can’t at the least be called comparably durable. Why not?

Blind dismissals and party lines are referring to the fact near every thread talking about these comic book status fighters, near anything critical is seen as hate or “trolling”, it’s not limited to you, whenever @Pat M a regularly polite poster says anything contrary to a few fighters he meets the same sort of anger someone like me gets.

I get why I upset people and the emotional knee jerk - I can truly be a real horse fly but shouting down everyone else similarly? The end result is just an echo chamber.

 

I didn't accuse you of trolling or hating. I said you were stupid. There's a difference. Trolling requires at least some level of intellect.

Pat M automatically sides with whichever fighter is the more recent one. It's easier to predict his posts than to predict the result of throwing an egg off a roof.

This has nothing to do with wanting things to be an "echo chamber". Your line of reasoning simply doesn't make sense. Weaver was KOd, Foreman recovered from two rough knockdowns and won. Yet you are suggesting they have the same level of durability. Recovering from knockdowns is automatically more impressive than losing a fight by KO, period. Foreman's only KO loss was after punching himself out and getting countered multiple times in a hot outdoor arena. Tate wasn't even known for his durability and has more clean KO losses than Foreman.

 

Good grief why bother.

 

What a load of rot. Cut to the chase - you just want to lambast guys you call "comic book status fighters" and have others join the fray as well so all the detractors (minority opinion) can have their merry little party BUT with no return fire. You just can't hack it that your crappy little opinion on fighters you genuinely dislike gets nowhere and garners disdain. As for your continual moaning about why it means so much to people......here you are yet again pleading for criticism and way left of center opinions to be let run free. It's an obsession for you and you haven't shut up about it since you've been here with your constant sniping and whining. You'd be quiet as a mouse if it was an "echo chamber" with ridiculously negative opinions of these fighters. Hell, it would likely be your weekend porn. Posters in here have formed their opinions of such fighters via hours and hours of reading and watching and here you are, a know nothing, thinking yours is somehow superior.

As for PatM he's a victim of his own making with some of the posts he puts up, along the lines of the ones you lust for, of course. The bias permeates all over the forum and it's blatantly obvious he has skin in the game and probably very very few degrees of separation

What next? We PM our posts to you so you can peruse them and let us know if they are OK to post?

 

I love how Kamikaze comes out of the woodwork whenever Foreman is mentioned to disparage him (and inevitably brings up Young and Ocacio like clockwork) and even brings him up in threads that have nothing to do with him just to take shots at him, but insists he's merely playing devil's advocate to create further discussion.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

Oh come on no-one is supposed to notice.

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It would take less than 5 minutes to prove all this. I'll be reading through a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Foreman, and then he will pop up out of nowhere to take a snipe at him. It's genuinely perplexing and strange. And of course whenever there's a poll option, if it's a boxer he doesn't like, he consistently votes against them whether it's a career evaluation, skill measurement, or h2h fight. It's more consistent than clockwork.

I think he genuinely believes that he's doing the Lord's work, like some sort of righteous crusade mandated by the Pope to teach us "biased fanboy heathens" how to be objective and reasonable. He has an incredibly arrogant attitude and it shows how obtuse and unobservant he is because the very posters he accuses of living in "echo chambers" disagree with each other all the time. Apparently we don't pick x classic fighter to win because we've determined them to be better based on facts and statistics, we're just blinded by nostalgia and hero worship. In my case, a lot of these old school heavies were dead or retired before I was even born, and I've picked plenty of more recent fighters against them...but you notice posters like him never chime in when we pick against old school fighters. They just want drama, it has nothing to do with wanting intellectual honesty.

 

I agree Pat M has some pretty bizarre takes regarding modern fighters, and always sides with the modern fighters just because they're modern no real reasoning or logic behind it.

Heres a few quotes I remember from him.

"Wilder would've probably never of had a competitive fight if Fury wasn't around"

"None of Ali's opposition would beat Wilder"

"Canelo would beat Marciano"

That's a few pretty bad takes I remember off the top of my head, and he also claims to be a trainer aswell which is even more of a head scratcher.

 

This thread made me watch Tate vs Weaver.

 

DP, I suppose I should be flattered., you are another "fan" who tries to remember all of my posts... But, if you're going to use quotation marks when you are quoting what I have written, you should use my "exact quotes." I don't think any of those you posted are exact quotes. I don't think I've ever claimed to be a trainer either. I have mentioned that we have fighters, and we teach them this or that, but I don't think I've called myself a "trainer." People who have been around boxing are not impressed by someone calling themself a "trainer." They know that all "trainers" are not the same. Some teach and make fighters better, others do little more than use a towel and wipe sweat off between rounds. Even a guy like you could be a "trainer," but you probably couldn't "teach" anything. See the difference?

I do feel humbled that you and the posters who "liked" your post try to read and remember everything I write but unfortunately for you and them, you don't have enough knowledge of boxing fundamentals and technique to understand what I write. I suspect that your "knowledge" of boxing comes from Bert Sugar/Randy Gordon books/articles, and highlight videos of fighters set to music with a narrator who has about the same level of boxing knowledge that you have. I admit that I don't remember anything you have written, probably because you don't have any original content. I suspect that your posts, like many on this board, are the ones that nearly always include "Big George" and are followed by "child like" hero worship. Those type posts bore me and I don't read them, maybe eventually you'll post something interesting and I'll read and remember it?

Again, if you want to quote my posts, and use quotation marks, use my exact quotes.

 

No one is a "fan" of yours i only remember the quotes because they were such bad takes, and i associate you with the guy who always favours modern fighters in every topic that i've seen. And considering i'm not the only poster who has made that claim it's not a coincidence that's something you're associated with is it not ?

I don't think i've read a single post of yours since we last spoke in a Canelo thread which was last year. I didn't read your post in this topic either i just flicked through the thread, and i see @Glass City Cobra comment and his thoughts echo mine in regards to you having some very bizarre/biased takes in regards to favouring modern fighters in every instance.

As for the quotes ? here you go here's one i'll even reference the thread for you.

"If DW had come along in an era without Fury he might not have had a close fight in his career."

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...me-george-foreman.705782/page-3#post-22382903

Remember everything you write ? no just a few pretty bad/bizarre takes that i've seen you post, i haven't read any of your posts in a long time and as i said i didn't read your post in this thread either.

As for not understanding you're so called amazing wisdom on boxing ? did you not read your quote i just posted above ? if that's you're so called amazing wisdom on boxing then i must be some type of wizard.

And i've never claimed to have been the most knowledgeable on this forum, there's plenty of posters on here that have more knowledge than me especially on classic forum. But then again i'm young in my early 20s, and alot of people on here are older gentleman and have been watching boxing since i wasn't even born.

Not that i care about likes but considering i have 15k likes in 8k posts, i must be posting some pretty reasonable/decent posts if so many people have agreed with my takes. I'm also fairly well respected poster on the classic forum for being pretty young in regards to the average age of this forum in particular.

As for remembering my posts ? i could careless if you remember my posts or not because you're not someone i associate with or care about. You've somehow got it into your head that you're important to me because i remembered a few of your bad takes. No it's just that they were so "bad" that i remembered it, and now you're the guy i associate with in regards to bad takes on modern fighters.

But since i don't wish to associate with you or read any of your further posts, i'm just going to put you on ignore so that way we are both happy and can go about are own business.

 

Not Pat thinking people must be "fans" who obsess over him and go out of their way to read all his posts and memorize them.

It's not hard to remember a blowhard who boasts about these amazing fighters in his gym who "would make Rocky look like an amateur". It's not hard to remember a guy who posts the exact same way like clockwork in literally every single h2h thread they post in where it's an older fighter vs modern. It's not hard to remember hilarious takes like saying if he was working James Smith's corner he'd tell him to not bother blocking and to just throw wild bombs against Foreman. It also definitely isn't hard to remember him saying any of the other quotes you posted like Wilder beating all of Ali's opponents or claiming nobody but Fury would beat him in this era (Parker had something to say about that).

If someone consistently says crazy things looking for attention/shock value, people will laugh and notice. Doesn't remotely mean people have become obsessed or have their feelings hurt. This is 12 year old levels of deflection. I'm also amused how he's trying to backpedal from the "trainer" label after spending literally yes bragging about "this fighter" and "that fighter" he has yet never offering an ounce of proof. Never change Pat.

 

GCC is obviously another person who does not know how to use quotation marks. Quotation marks are to be used for direct quotes, not some lie you've concocted. I've NEVER said that a fighter would make another look like an amateur. I have high respect for amateurs. Many pros would take it as a compliment if told they looked like an amateur. Anybody who has been in the gym would know that. Guess you think that if you get a check for fighting you're automatically better than top amateurs?! Comments like that tell me what I need to know about you.

Of course I think my fighters look good. But I'm not going to discuss my fighters with a person (like you) who has no idea what makes a good boxer. There are people on this board that know boxing and I've discussed my fighters with them privately. It's not difficult to figure out who knows boxing and who just likes to post. I put you in the category of "just likes to post." You don't know much about boxing, but you might be able to master quotation marks if you try. Remember, if you are going to put quotation marks on something, find the quote and copy it accurately.

 

Pat puts a crafty 10 down on the egg.

Long as it was laid post 2015.

PS: lucky bloody egg