Mike Tyson had a better career than Larry Holmes.

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Floyd Patterson won a vacant title, from an organization's belt that Mike Tyson won at a younger age than Patterson did. FACT.
     
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  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Mike wasn't undisputed, Patterson was.
     
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  3. Viy

    Viy Member Full Member

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    As I've already said, I will stay right here and continue to school you and humiliate you and there's nothing you can do about it. Did I make myself clear, princess ?
     
  4. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would change the fact, that Mike wasn't the youngest undisputed champion. I don't care about this particular record, but it is what it is.
     
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  5. Viy

    Viy Member Full Member

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    You wouldn't recognize fact if it hit you in the face, princess.

    You should stick to designing Tyson t-shirts and crying online about how pitiful little losers like yourself are being underappreciated by Tyson and his entourage

    Perhaps you should move to YT comment section which is definitely more appropriate for the person of your limited capacities.
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    But who was the first and youngest guy to unify?
     
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can say Mike was the youngest fully unified champ. But he wasn't the youngest undisputed.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s fruitless to compare eras. You could say Patterson and the guys he fought to become “undisputed” like Archie and Jackson were barely even modern day cruiserweights. Or you could say he wasn’t truly undisputed because Soviet guys, Cubans, and Africans weren’t populating the pro ranks.

    At the end of the day, Tyson took a harder road than Holmes or Patterson and had more dominant results.
     
  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, if it is fruitless to compare eras, then all the records don't matter.
     
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  10. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I would find 8 guys and I already named them.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Only if you have trouble seeing things in greys.
     
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  12. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    If you are stubborn, you can write that Holyfield won against a better Holmes, against a younger Holmes, against a lighter Holmes and in a better style than Tyson, but this will be a subjective interpretation and even denying the facts... remind me of these 8 guys. Remind me the names of boxers who beat top rivals in the style of Tyson, knocked them out one by one over the course of 10 fights, and didn't even take a moment to relax for someone like Wepner, Stander, Scott Frank, Albert Sosnowski, Phil Jackson or Bert Cooper
     
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  13. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are no points awarded for what, “probably” happens.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Exactly. Tyson knocked out Spinks and Holmes with ease. Holmes lost twice to Spinks. No probably’s.
     
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  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, cause it wouldn't be true. But you can make an argument Holyfield won against a better prepared version of Holmes.

    Like I said, I put Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lennox, Evander, Marciano, Foreman and Frazier above Tyson. And like I said, Stander doesn't matter if you have probably the best win in heavyweight history in Ali in March 1971. Stander doesn't matter if the only losses you have are against all time greats like Ali and Foreman, while a boxer you are compared to lost to the likes of Buster Douglas, Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. You can't look at Tyson and ignore everything what happened after 1990. You just can't.
     
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