Joe Frazier does not beat AJ and you can't convince any reasonable person otherwise

You mean 1:5; Frazier already has 2 losses against Ali?

 

I don't count the second fight as a loss. I believe he was robbed.
He beats Holmes every time imo.

 

Well, in that case, boxing history changes, because then the fight Foreman Vs. Ali. At least not under those circumstances.

 

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Did I miss something, or didn't AJ conqueror (2X) Usyk start at cruiserweight?

 

Hi Fergy.
The thing is I don't see AJ or any of the top HWs as a " beasts " far from it, but before his defeat by Ali, Foreman was very much seen as a beast, it's easy to forget, if you didn't live through the time, how intimidating Foreman was, for the era he was a huge, big, muscular giant of a fighter, almost all the boxing fraternity felt he would reign for years, crushing all who oppose him, his aura was not unlike Listons, mean and moody, moreover many felt that Ali could get seriously hurt, in fact some feared for his life, also I am not that enamoured with AJ, the loses to Ruiz and Usyk have taken the sheen off in my eyes, and I can imagine both Ali and Foreman having the beating of AJ , and he would have his hands full with Frazier, I wouldn't rule out a win for smoking Joe.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.

 

Frazier has problems early on, eating good jabs and getting grazed by a few great rights by Joshua. By the 5th it is apparent that Joe's smokin' style is ultimately baffling to Joshua and, after seeing his jab just isn't good enough to keep Joe from coming in, he tries to retreat and use lateral movement. His left is landing, but it just isn't doing anything to keep Joe away and when he tries an uppercut he gets floored hard by a whistling left hook. The bell ends the round.

Round 6 and AJ obviously ain't doing too good, legs are a bit wobbly and he looks unsure of himself. Frazier, just warming up, is bobbing and weaving like crazy, and AJ is helpless to keep him off. Terrified to throw the uppercut again, he tries a straight right instead and misses, and Joe coming in brings a hook from the heels. AJ done.

 

You don't need to get all 'Back-to-the-Future' about the whole thing. It's a hypothetical question.

 

AJ is not fast or accurate enough to land jabs at will.

 

Alright Mike, hope you're OK.
Yes I was being a little sarcy in my post, mate.
I don't really rate the modern guys as such. When we see how Joe fought to the bitter end against Ali, and kept trying against George, well I don't see AJ ever coming close to that tbh.

 

He isnt. Heś not stronger than Foreman, Ron Lyle and more. I dont know where people are getting this idea that hes some Superman, he lost to Ruiz by ko and got beat badly in both his fights against Usyk. He has a serious lack of guts and has an enormous entitlement attitude, hes nothing special. Just because he blew out an MMA guy people are acting like hes some killer now, heś not.

 

Solid bait thread

 

Ngannou likely has CTE, was literally holding his jab hand out and exhibited the head movement of barely pulling back, which many would consider wrong in the first place

 

I consider myself reasonable and think Joe would spank AJ's butt and I have every right to think that. But I don't go around all day thinking about stuff like this