Joe Frazier does not beat AJ and you can't convince any reasonable person otherwise

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  1. Freddy Benson.

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    Every post adds to the total count. What's your goal 20k by the end of the year or is that for next year at some point? I guess baiting and trolling posts are one way to go.
     
  2. Journeyman92

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    Based on Foreman being about 30lbs lighter, fatter and shorter I’d say it’s a safe bet IMO.
     
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  3. Journeyman92

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    Ronnie Coleman is stronger than Robert Duran. Duran would lick him in a boxing ring everyday. Psychical strength is one of the lesser important aspects of boxing but the fact is Foreman is tiny next to AJ and it’s silly to argue otherwise… he was a lean-ish 215-220lbs fighter on the fluffier side. AJ Is peeled to the bone and 30lbs or so heavier. It’s not that big of a deal.
     
  4. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Hes not stronger than a prime George Foreman thats all I was saying. Ronnie Coleman is not a boxer, so thats irrelevant. Foreman being tiny next to AJ means nothing hed crush Joshua like a bug.
     
  5. Journeyman92

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    You’re missing the point I said he’s physically stronger that’s all. I didn’t say he’d even beat Foreman, I said he’s stronger and he is. Only here would a roided out 6ft5 250lbs man be weaker then a 6ft3 guy 30lbs lighter who is visibly much, much less muscular who relied on push ups and chipping wood for strength training… Do you honestly think in the gym AJ would be lifting less weight then Prime GF?
     
  6. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Like he did against Ruiz?

    Oh that's right he didn't. Instead AJ fought inside against a man who had T Rex arms by comparison and got clipped, dropped and stopped.
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    You surely are an odd one.
     
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  8. Boxing_Fan101

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    And what happened in the rematch he used the correct strategy and Candy Ruiz couldn’t do ****, AJ isn’t stupid enough to stay in the pocket or trade with a prime Frazier
     
  9. SwarmingSlugger

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    Where is the footage of AJ pulling a car? Ill wait. George didnt do a lot of weight lifting, even so overall yes he was stronger than AJ and practically any other fighter.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

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    It wasn't the 'strategy' alone, though - was it? The extent to which Ruiz Jr allowed Joshua to execute said strategy with impunity played a big part in the ease of that win. I mean, just how much of a strategy was required for him to avoid a morbidly obese man with his feet glued to the canvas?

    Joshua probably expends more energy walking his dog than he did in the Ruiz Jr rematch.

    Frazier is an altogether different problem to solve.
     
  11. HomicideHank

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    I think you might be conflating strength with muscle mass.
     
  12. The Long Count

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    Frazier probably would have racked up more losses facing the size of the competition that Joshua faces but that doesn’t necessarily mean Frazier loses to Joshua. I saw Joshua struggle against a past prime Povetkin (I think I had Povetkin up at time of stopped) reason I mention this is Povetkin fought from a semi crouch and throws a lot of hooks. He’s more refined and bigger but prime Joe had better motor, and more head movement. I can see both men winning the fight. Joshua when he is on looks very good and his size difference could be critical. Joe when he beat Ali - I can see that version knocking Joshua out.
     
  13. Marvelous_Iron

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    I think Holyfield leading up to the Tyson fight would obliterate AJ in a bench press contest at 30lbs lighter, and he would take AJ to school in the ring

    It's actually kind of embarrassing (for Ngannou) that AJ landed those rights the way he did, Frazier would never be that wide open to anything except potentially a jab when he is dead set on getting inside, and with AJ's reach advantage the majority of Frazier's hooks would be the crazy leaping ones to cover distance
     
  14. Flash24

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    And you can't convince me Joshua can actually fight.
    At least not on the level of a Joe Frazier.
    It's easy to look good against fighters who's head stay on one level, and can't spell slip or ride a punch, much less be in position to counter it.
    That's basically what Joshua has faced the entirety of his career.
    Frazier made arguably the quickest handed heavyweight in history look foolish at times the way he repeadly slipped and countered Ali's lightning quick jabs and straight right hands.
    Yet Joshua, who' telegraphed his punches, and is very predictable with his combo's , and not in the same area code as far as quickness as Ali in the FOTC
    Somehow just steam rolls Frazier?
    Joshua would have one chance against Frazier.
    That would be to dig up Dick Saddler and Archie Moore from their graves and have them train him to use his physical advantages in a similar fashion as they trained George Foreman.
    Other than that, A real ATG like Frazier would weather the early storm by making Joshua miss the vast majority of his punches, and punishing him for his mistakes.
    By the 7th rd , A few good punches from Frazier would give the tiring and frustrated Joshua a good enough reason to quit as he did with Ruiz.
    A easier than expected win for Frazier.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

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    Good grief SS he’s not superman and that’s not the feat you think it is.