Mike Tyson had a better career than Larry Holmes.

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Which organizations recognized Patterson as undisputed champ?
     
  2. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Just caught up with this thread thanks NoNeck for amusing me :)
     
  3. Mteslamiller

    Mteslamiller Member Full Member

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    I rank Holmes no. 3 at heavyweight. He was a better fighter than Mike Tyson.
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Enter Bruce Seldon.

    Seldon and Mercer share two opponents in Ocasio and Ferguson. Seldon outperformed Mercer by miles in these fights.

    Seldon also did what Mercer didn’t do in winning a major title. He did it against Tucker, a guy who likely would’ve given Mercer major problems and been about even money against, even only because he was aging.

    Seldon’s punch resistance was crappy, as evidenced by the quick stoppage against Bowe and come from behind loss to McCall. But his boxing ability and jab were world class; he only lost to Tubbs on the cards and was dropped in the first round of that fight.

    I’ll go so far as to say that Seldon was on Mercer’s level—better boxing ability but worse punch resistance—-and put together a similar win column.

    But nobody gives Tyson any credit for beating him because he won so easily. The truth is that Seldon would’ve give. Hell to guys like Jimmy Young and Chris Byrd, possibly beating either, and Tyson deserves credit accordingly.

    This is a microcosm for what happened over and over with Tyson’s opponents while the critics are quick to wax poetic about George Foreman’s struggle jobs against Moorer and Briggs (L).
     
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  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was recognized by every major sanctioning body of his day: NYSAC and NBA (which became WBA at the tail end of his reign). He was also recognized as THE heavyweight champion by The Ring Magazine.
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Probably the most consolidated grab of vacant belts in history, in that case. All for beating a 5’11, 187 pound, 42 year old man.

    Still better than the way Holmes supposedly gained lineage though.
     
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali should have stayed retired then. Or should have not popped these thyroid pills like candy.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Holmes loved a cash grab. It was never about lineage.
     
  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The concept of the lineage is quite new, so of course it wasn't. But Ali was there. There to be beat. People was saying Holmes wasn't a real champion. So he did beat the real the champion. And it was a Ali gunning for Holmes, not the other way around. And he got what was coming.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He could’ve fought Dokes, Coetzee, or Page instead. He could’ve unified. He didn’t.
     
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  11. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You already been cooked on that topic many times in this thread, so I'm not gonna contribute to your masochist fetish by doing it again.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Never happened.
     
  13. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This will be the one & only time in my life perhaps I defend Holmes (ugh), but the only logical fight at the time was Ali. The public were not going to give him a lick of recognition or credibility if he’d fought the other guys, instead. Hell, they barely did even after he punted Ali.

    That did not taste good.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He did it for the money and the money only.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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