Nino Valdez vs Cleveland Williams

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Who wins and how

  1. Williams KO/TKO

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  2. Valdez KO/TKO

    18.2%
  3. Williams Decision

    9.1%
  4. Valdez Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Number 1, why didn't this fight happen and who would win if it did happen?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I went with Williams by KO. But if Valdez is on point this could be tough
     
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ill go with the guy who beat more rated fighters: Valdez.
     
  4. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I’ll go with the Big Cat.

    He had way bigger and thweatier muscles than El Niño.

    Oh, and I also think Cleve had the skills and punch otherwise to KO Valdez.
     
  5. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    Swag, what sayest thou?
     
  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Actually, Swag PM’d me prior to that post and that’s EXACTLY what he told me to write. He said the cheque’s in the mail - Swag is quite rich you know...he owns multiple properties..
     
  7. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    Valdes was shortlisted as an opponent for the 19 year old Williams way back in 1953, but Williams's team ended up going with Omelio Agramonte who was, at the time, a bigger name.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Common opponents between Valdes and Williams

    Omelio Agramonte, Wayne Bethea, **** Richardson, John Holman, Alonzo Johnson, Alex Miteff, Bob Satterfield, Eddie Machen, Mcfadden, and Sonny Liston.

    Valdes record: 4-6-1 with 2 knockouts.

    Williams record: 7–3-1 with 6 knockouts.
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Interesting. Don't you favor Mac Foster over a prime Williams?

    I look forward to you producing the extensive list of rated guys Foster beat.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    At that stage in his career, Valdez likely pulls a Satterfield on him.

    Prime for prime however, I'd overwhelmingly favor Williams.
     
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  11. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    Not forgetting Joe McFadden, who drew with Valdes just 6 months before being stopped in 3 by the 19 year old Williams.

    Valdes does seem the logical pick at that point, although this was in early 53 when he was in the middle of a 4-bout losing streak. If he performs the way he did in his dreary loss to Billy Gilliam I'd say even a young Williams has a good chance.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Thanks! Just edited my post.
     
  13. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember AJ Liebling describing Valdez as “a playful porpoise” of a heavyweight.

    I don’t see the Big Cat losing to a dolphin, especially a playful one.
     
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  15. Boxing_MVP

    Boxing_MVP New Member Full Member

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    Williams, overall faster, physically stronger, more agile and could take some good punches.

    Non who Valdez fought had Williams' punch, well except Satterfield and Liston of course which we all knew how it went down already