Keith Thurman is injured. Tszyu vs Fundora will now be for the WBC & WBO belts.

Nah excitement all the way

 

It will be a good fight. I like Tim all the way.

 

I see you are back pedaling quickly. Never did I state that anyone who doesn't participate in the sport professionally (or amateur) doesn't have a valued opinion. Yet for some reason, rather than just answering the question and allowing me to state what I would say based on your response, you took it upon yourself to ASSUME what my purpose was for asking the question. This just showcases how you can be so lost as to the direction, purpose, agenda, mindset, etc....of an individual, yet make a statement as if your opinion is factual. Which is why I responded to your post in the first place. You don't know anything about that man or his mindset when he faced Tyson. Stated he was afraid of him what your ASSUMPTION and you have proven to me, your assumptions aren't at all as accurate as you believe. Even though bringing up Spinks LAST FIGHT OF HIS CAREER had nothing to do with what I stated, because Spinks had accomplished all of his milestones before going into the fight vs Tyson, which was his largest payday. I'm not sure you know much about Spinks, but you brought his name up to argue a point and failed at it. Spinks tried to walk away from the sport after his 2nd fight vs Holmes about 2 years prior to fighting Tyson. He had nothing left to prove at that point but fans and media kept pushing for Holmes to fight the young champion (Tyson) because he had just unified the 3 major belts (WBC, WBA, & IBF). Spinks was an elder statesmen as he's 10 years older than Tyson. He could have walked away from the sport and retired UNDEFEATED and had only been knocked down once in his entire career. But because of the fans begging for it and the media attention surrounding a possible match up. Holmes decided to continue and face Tyson, who was the most dangerous fighter in the sport. NO MAN WHO FEARS COMPETITION is going to sign to fight a young Mike Tyson, especially when they have already accomplished the lineal title and was a 2x world champion themselves. There was nothing left to prove. Spinks CHOSE to fight Tyson because he was a world class competitor and gladiator. Obviously Tyson was just too much for the old man. But you claiming he FEARED Tyson........ Again, that is just an ignorant statement. And that statement is only made by those who have never been put in the position to compete at any level of this sport, otherwise you would know the kind of heart, determination, and mindset it takes to get in the ring at that level.

You keep getting offended by me pointing out the facts because maybe you can't take being "wrong" about something. Not sure of your age, but usually those who have been fans of this sport for quite some time understand the culture of the sport, even if they have never competed in the sport themselves. You talk about you respect the fighters, but are more than willing to get their legacy one of the biggest disrespectful critiques they could get, and that is to claim they are AFRAID of their opponent.........

 

Maybe he should fight Claressa now. He doesn't have the power anymore so it's an even fight.

 

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You are commenting on an issue you know NOTHING about, so you claiming it doesn't take a "genius" to figure something out only exposes your heavy dependency on ignorance to come up with a conclusion, rather than doing research. A fighter can be out the ring for a while for multiple reasons, not just the fact "they don't want to do it anymore. It doesn't take a genius to know that one reason doesn't fit all. Especially for a man who stays in the gym and consistently talked about getting specific fights.

I don't need to address you talking about his mental state because I already touched on that. Even if you are trying to sugar coat it and justify why you stated it.

And I think you are confusing performances due to "inactivity" vs performances due to "aging" and "style" of the opponent. Wilder came in and had a subpar performance because no one he fought prepared him for what he faced vs Fury. Same with Spence....Spence knew that Crawford was a different animal from anyone else he would face at 147, thus he had so many stipulations and hurdles in place to even make the fight happen over 5 years. I'm not sure what long period of time you are referring to with Ruiz. As far as I know, he fought at least once a year his entire career. I know we haven't seen him since the Ortiz fight in 2022, but that's due to injury and legal situation with is contract. It had nothing to do with him, "not wanting it anymore". Charlo, Jermall Charlo not Jermell as Jermell has been active every year outside of his injury delaying one of his fights a year or so back. Jermall, had to deal with mental health and family issues, but when he finally got back in the ring, did he struggle?

Now not going to act like someone can't lose the edge or timing or whatever from not being in competition for a while, but the examples you are giving are not evidence of that.

Truthfully, I don't see how or why you are debating this. I'm not giving my opinion. I'm spitting facts in the conversation. Things that are documented, found on a timeline, can actually be seen as evident. You are coming back with assumptions, opinions, and theories. I'm here to have boxing discussions, not to take your opinions away, but you can't push your opinion as if it's more valuable than the facts and think knowledgeable boxing fans are suppose to just accept it.

 

Umm... Okay.... Good job buddy.

 

That's the strongest looking 6'5" 150lb person I have ever seen. Seriously.

 

So body language doesnt count at all to make some statement? Not every assumption has zero foundation. I have huge huge respect for Spinks, who is one of he best lightH in the history and has been in a lot of war, but to me is very clear from his face expressions before the fight, and the timid and reluctant beahvior from the beginning of the fight, that he was clearly uncomfortable and pproably would prefer to be anywhere but in the ring with Iron Mike.

 

What the hell has Thurman accomplished lmfao

This gone be good

 

Body language..... seriously?. That's your argument vs everything I pointed out..... If you want to say he showed a lack of confidence, that's one thing. If you want to say he less aggressive vs Tyson than previous opponents, that would make more sense, but saying he FEARED Tyson and using his "body language" as your source is laughable. Again, outside looking in and you make statements like that is what makes those who compete lose respect of the opinions of those who don't, didn't, and never will compete in the sport. Spinks is NOT going to go through all the protocol for that fight if he was afraid of Tyson. PERIOD. Body language does not solidify your opinion that he feared Tyson.

 

He's a 2x World Champion. He's 8-1 in world title fights. He's more accomplished than Tim Tszyu......WTF.....do you even watch this sport or do you just like to leg hump specific fighters in these discussions.

"This is going to be good".....How's bout you inform us all what exactly Tim has accomplished that overshadows Keith Thurman's career. I'm ready for the bullsh*t post.

There's a reason why the Thurman fight was worth of paying attention to for Tim to get his feet wet for American competition. FOH

 

Thurman is an idiot. He's done.

 

Guys, please stop making fun of Keith's nickname! It devalues Pacquiao's stock. After somewhere between ten and twenty years on this forum, I have learned that this is essentially the most important thing to remember of all.