Keith Thurman is injured. Tszyu vs Fundora will now be for the WBC & WBO belts.

I can't say I'm surprised at the amount of disrespect Thurman has been getting since pulling out of this fight. But there's no excuse to be ignorant to Thurman's career and what he has achieved in the sport.

Keith is a class act and a great fighter. We were all looking forward to seeing what he could do against Tim, but unfortunately an injury happened. That's life, it sucks but there's nothing you can do when something like this happens, than to heal and try to come back.

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There are shades between pure confidence and total fear. Keep calm my friend. I believe that that Tyson was absolutly able to instill fear in his opponent. That Tyson was absolutly relentless.
Do you really think that no fighter feared another fighter? Again ask to floyd Patterson (a true legend) what was he experiencing once he was in the ring with Liston. I dont remember in wich biography i read that, but if you dont believe me i will search today the source (not the direct quote but the book). Im not sure who said that, maybe Cus Damato himself, but i don want to say something stupid before i check.
Anyway, fear is angst, apprension, is absolutly normal also for professional athletes. At the and of the day we are all human.
There was a lot of great football teams that lost the game before they even were on the pitch against the leggendary Barcellona of Guardiola. There were player whose legs was shaking before they could pass the ball so...
Anyway, i tell you again, keep calm my friend, because you're absolutly nobody to tell me what is right or wrong to think about the emotion that Spinks or everyone else shows in certain moments. Maybe this is not the perfect deduction, but if you wanna know something, you are at least stupid as you supposed i am (when i affirm that) when you say that is impossibile for an athlete to experience fear when he has in front of him in the flash. And thats count for every kind of sport, not just boxing.
What the hell i should do with your protocol?? Ahaha you really bring out the protocol to demonstrate that he was fearless?

 

So youre just gonna list some random/made-up numbers like they mean anything? If youre fighting literal journeymen - and avoiding legitimate challenges - what does a record matter? Thurman is a Hollywood production. All smoke and mirrors. He's beaten a bunch of journeymen and almost lost to one of them. In the three meaningful fights in his career (Danny G, Porter, Manny) he went 2-1 but just as easily couldve been 1-2 or 1-1-1 as the Porter fight was a coinflip.

But let's like at his championship run and all his accomplishments you cant stop drooling over:

- Robert Ghost Guerrero
- Luis Collazo
- Shawn Porter
- Danny Garcia
- Josesito Lopez

Then he fights 40 year old Manny and loses.

I am far from a mathematician but his title run was 5-1 NOT 8-1. I realllllly like how you make up random numbers in an attempt to sound right. Oh I see how that happened. You wanted to include fights where Keith fought/won the:

NABO Jr MW title
Inter-Continental welterweight title
WBA interim welterweight title

Amazing stuff. None of those are real titles. None.

And Keith spent his whole career avoiding Spence, Bud Crawford, and now Boots. Dude wouldnt have fought Vergil Ortiz either.

Its good people like you exist. You help the PBC fighters earn a living. I cant remember the last time I paid a PBC show outside of Spence/Crawford. X/Y/Z fighter versus TBA/former sparring partner. No thanks.

Keep telling me about X/Y/Z accomplishments though. Makes for good laughs while I'm on the toilet

 

A class act that ducked every meaningful fight in his career? Keith taunted Bud Crawford like it was gradeschool because they had different promoters...then after Bud whooped Spence, Keith begged Bud for a fight.

A class act? You got to be kidding me lmao...

 

Exactly. Keith has done nothing but try to get himself back in place to be a global name in the sport. His injuries have come via training, not a reckless lifestyle like some fighters. Hell, his inactivity started with injuries following his win over Danny Garcia. We are supposed to fault him for being human? He found love and started a family. He's in his damn 30s.... Is he not supposed to do that either. All of this is what people use to discredit his value in the sport? Wow.

 

Again, you are trying to reference things that have nothing to do with the example you chanted here. To say that people don't experience fear is ignorant because that is a natural emotion. Muhammad Ali said in multiple books that he briefly experienced fear when he walked in on Foreman punching the heavy bag. Said he used his trash talk to get past it and it made him come up with a strategy to neutralize his power. That in his book. So again, if you are going to attempt to debate me, use you comprehension rather than creating a narrative on your own just for the sake of arguing. I said NO ONE GETS TO THE POSITION THEY ARE IN THIS SPORT BY FEARING COMPETITION. Why does that offend you so much you feel you have to go out your way to debate it? Spinks confidence in Tyson was far from where it usually was due to a few factors. Age difference. His own mileage in the ring. The skillset that a young Tyson was bringing to the bout, etc..... Fear.... Fear will get you killed in the ring. Unless he was looking to commit suicide, why would he go through all of the protocol to prepare for a fight with someone he FEARED......

I'm experienced enough birthdays to know that some people choose to be ignorant and there's no facts you can point out to take them away from their agenda. So with that said, I'm going to move on from this conversation with you. You are free to continue to spill whatever nonsense in response to this, maybe someone else will jump in and agree or disagree with you, but I'm done with this pointless exchange. Peace.

 

No, you misinterpreted my statemant. I never disagree, or, i never told you that Spinks was previously fearing Tyson. But once in the ring i think that it doesnt sound crazy to say that he was feared, or at least very intimidated from Tyson. A similar worrying you can see in José Aldo's face moment before the start of the fight. Their performance tell a lot about how far from their standard confidence and calm they were experience.
Of course neither had fear of their opponent before entering the ring.

 

Maybe here the one who are getting offended are you, not me. You continue to tell me and also to kngwilder that your comment offended us but the only thing that i see is your getting gradually aggressive when we arent agreeing with you. Also, your lack of selfcontrol lead you to not understand what I am saying.

 

I'll first point out that I was incorrect on his world title record. A fellow coach in the gym pointed out he wasn't elevate to world champion until after the Guerrero fight. So yea, he's 5-1 not 8-1. Nice try dumba$$, being that you was able to point out where the mistake was, goes to show the numbers weren't made up, but clowns are going to be clowns. I went off the knowledge from the top of my head, you clearly put that Google search engine to work. My fault for not using my resources huh?.....lol.

And yes in the aftermath of who they came to be, it's safe to label Porter or Danny journeymen, but let me point out your ignorance. Danny was undefeated going into the fight vs Thurman. I believe Porter had just one lost. Both were world champions. He didn't fight a journeyman with either of them. He fought competitors. World class champion competitors. Something your ignorant a$$ knows nothing about.

Spence didn't avoid Spence, clown. He ignore Spence as a worthy opponent because Spence dropped from 154 just to become a contender at 147. Spence had beaten no one. Hell, his intro to the division was vs a man that was 17-11. And Spence had nothing to bring to the table. He said on national television to Spence's face that "when you win that title from Kell Brook, then we can make something happen"... Once Spence got that title, he all of a sudden had no desire to fight Thurman. Spence fought 2 dudes that lost to Thurman. I'll ignore your stupidity on just calling Manny some 40 yo boxer like he wasn't a legend still competing at a high level. Then you bring up Boots.......Boots?......a mfer who's fought and accomplished nothing and never seriously attempted to fight Boots. But Thurman avoided him?....FOH. Boots has yet to face an opponent who will ever compete for welterweight title, let alone win one. But Thurman is avoiding him?......lol. Funny how your standards change on quality of wins for Spence or Boots from Thurman's wins over "journeymen"......

You have to be one of the biggest Man Fans posing to be a Boxing Fan I've ever had an exchange with. Funny how you totally ignored my actual request of you to point out WHAT IS THAT TIM ACCOMPLISHED THAT OUTSHINES THURMAN'S CAREER.......lol. Because my point was, he is more accomplished than Tim Tszyu. You ran left field bringing up other fights and totally ignored that Tim was the subject being discussed.......lol.

I'm good on this conversation. I've given you too much time to show common sense and respect to the sport, but I see, you are simply a Man Fan. Ain't no getting you off your agenda. So this is wasted energy...... I'm sure you are the type to need the last word to feel like you accomplished something, so do your thing. I'll give you that. I'm out.

 

Sorry if using a google search is "resources". I'll stick to Bleacher Report and BuzzFeed from now on

Neither Danny nor Porter were journeymen. They were both decent fighters. Danny was flat out good at 140 and Porter was a solid WW fighter. The journeymen were Collazo, Castillo, and Ghost...along with rest of Thurman's entire career.

The best fighters at WW just so happened to be the same fighters Thurman couldnt/cant fight. Shocking.

Tim is a work in progress but he's challenging everyone. Also, Tim is 29, not 35, and he's calling out/challenging and fighting best available competition including Jermell, Thurman, Fundora, and has expressed interest in Crawford. No "side of the street" rubbish from Tim. And Tim just fought 3x last year and that 1 year rivals Thurmans ENTIRE CAREER.

 

Lol..... first, I don't even know who TF kngwilder is. I couldn't possibly be offended by anyone on this site as none of you exist after I long off. It's hilarious that you are I guess following my conversations even with other members. You are claiming I'm offended because I suggested that you were offended..... Good job buddy.....lol.

This is all recreation for me. Don't get so emotionally attached. Again, no one on here exist once you hit the "X" in the top right hand corner. It don't take a whole lot of self control to conduct a conversation with a bunch of "no names/usernames" on a miscellaneous boxing site. Calm down homie.

 

I'll ignore all the nonsense, pointless back & forth, for the sake of trying to cover something more current.........

Explain to me how you show more respect for Tim who is okay with vacating the WBO to avoid fighting Crawford next in order to be in line to fight a guy Crawford just demolished in Errol Spence Jr. He should be fighting Crawford now instead of a fighter who just got stopped in his last fight to replace an inactive fighter who competed at a division lower. Instead, he and his camp are openly stating that they may have plans to push for a fight vs Errol Spence Jr. who was SMACKED AROUND by Crawford and since has had 2 surgeries, and rumored to be another coming. How does he get more respect from you than Thurman.

Fighting the best available?.....Is that what he's doing......Fundora & then talks of Spence is fighting/challenging the best available?.......... How the hell is fighting a guy who was stopped last year and then fighting another who was stopped and is going to through physical recoops/surgeries evidence of fighting/challenging the best available. I can careless that he's 29, not 35. And the "wrong side of the street" rubbish was only used by PBC fighters, mainly Spence, regarding Crawford. Can't use it now because Crawford is a free agent.

 

Are you stupid pal?

Tszyu signed to fight Thurman whilst Crawford was held up by Spence and the rematch clause.

Thurman got injured but that doesn’t change the fact that Tszyu is preparing for a fight on 30 March. Crawford wasn’t going to be ready by 30 March so Tszyu took a fight with a highly rated guy who also happened to be preparing for a fight on the same card.

Tszyu is the guy Crawford is targeting at 154. It is Tszyu’s belt, so why should he sit out until Crawford is ready?

Only a complete idiot calls Tszyu out for ducking Crawford. Tszyu is absolutely desperate for that fight but is entitled to be active until the fight is made.

 

Spence wants the winner of Tszyu/ Fundora. I can see Tszyu dropping the WBO title & fighting Spence

 

So you start out with an idiotic rhetorical and then follow it up with stupid analysis. I'll try to talk slow so you can understand obvious points that I'm pointing out but seem to confuse you in logic.

Pointing out when Thurman/Tszyu signed to fight originally has nothing to do with what I ask. Yes, they signed back in January. Yes, Crawford was legally bound by his contract to fight a rematch vs Spence. But none of that sh** has anything to do with what just happened in these last 2 weeks.

Keith Thurman injured himself RECENTLY. Thus Sebastian Fundora slid in as a replacement being that they didn't want to change the date. And the fact that Fundora was already in camp to fight this spring as well if I'm not mistaken. So Fundora fighting Tszyu this weekend makes A LOT of sense........But what the f**k does that have to do with the fact that the WBO..........you know one of the sanctioning bodies in which one of the belts that is up for grabs in this fight........The WBO........ORDERED the winner of the fight to begin negotiations with Terence Bud Crawford within 5 days of the result of the fight.

NEGOTIATIONS.......It didn't say that they have to fight by a certain date. It said to start negotiations. You have the nerve to question someone else's intelligence and simple sight words confuse you in conversation. Again, the WBO order NEGOTIATIONS with Crawaford to begin within 5 days of this weekend. That means they can set the date for June, July, August, or however long depending on what they agree upon...........This is not my opinion. This is factual basis. It is documented. Pay attention.

Less than 48 hours ago.... Tim Tszyu & his camp have talked about possibly vacating the WBO belt so that they are not obligated to negotiate with Crawford immediate and talked about their plans for going after a fight vs..............ERROL SPENCE JR. Not some sh** I made up. It's available for you to view. Doesn't take an "idiot" to find it on YouTube and/or see the articles quoting as such through that amazing Google search engine I'm sure you are familiar with.

You said he is taking the best available. I simply asked your assessment on them choosing to possibly vacate a title to go after Spence instead of just negotiating with Crawford WHO IS AVAILABLE.....and last I check.....he is a better opponent than Errol Spence Jr. but your words was he goes after THE BEST AVAILABLE.

Your comprehension makes you the idiot if you think I was suggesting that Crawford was being ducked by Tszyu. My question was to get your vantage point since you made that specific quote. But either you emotions keep you from having logic in this discussion or you are too ignorant to use logic in the discussion so you needed to refer to trying to discredit my view by suggesting my intelligence was lacking because I pointed this out.

When you are ready to tuck your skirt in and actually hold an adult conversation about this sport without your emotions, I'll be ready to have that with you. Read my comment slowly to understand what I'm saying. You don't want me to think you are an "idiot" do you......lol.