Should Tua have been disqualified vs Rahman

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He hits him after the bell?

    Or is that just a part of boxing

    Or should Rahman have gotten 5 minutes like a low blow
     
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  2. Thread Stealer

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    Rahman should have been given extra time
     
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  3. USFBulls727

    USFBulls727 Active Member Full Member

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    Tua hadn't even begun to throw that last left hook when the bell rang. His arm was at his side. Giving Rahman 5 minutes to recover would have been the right move IMO. That punch did a lot of damage.

    I remember Yung-kil Chung got 5 minutes to recover after a low blow from Lloyd Honeyghan, and he took a TKO loss after he couldn't continue. I wonder how Rahman's situation wouldn't been handled if he was given time and couldn't continue? I would think the same...
     
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  4. klompton2

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    Rahman should have at least been given time. It was egregious and something Tua did or tried in several fights. It changed the entire course of the fight.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not a DQ no but a point deduction and give Rahman time to recover would've been fair.

    Rahman was very unlucky vs Tua he got hit after the bell, and then referee stopped the fight way too early.

    Then in the rematch Rahman appeared to have quite clearly out pointed Tua and yet the judges somehow scored it a draw.

    Honestly Rahman could've been 2-0 over Tua under different circumstances.
     
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  6. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rahman was comfortable outboxing Tua who was easily tamed by Rahman's jab but Tua was getting closer by every round because Rahman started to loose focus and that is why Tua right at the bell was in Rahmans chest throwing the half cocked shot not a full power hit. It exposed that Rahman was packing serious glass and he could not recover while sitting on his stool for a full minute...............was still dazed when the bell rang and Tua put it on.............slight pre mature stoppage imo by the Ref but Rahman's goose was cooked, Tua would have gotten to him one way or the other like he did vs Oleg/Izon/Oquendo.
     
  7. Fergy

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    Do you remember the guy that was fighting Marlon Starling on the same bill?
    That's just reminded me, he hit Marlon just as the bell rang I think and the ref counted Starling out. Lol
     
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  8. sauhund II

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    Louis Monaco basically Ko'ed Comeback Douglas after the bell , it took forever for the Ref and Commissioner to make up their mind to give Douglas the victory.
     
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    Good catch. That was Tomas Molinares. He knocked Starling cold, and Starling broke his leg on the fall somehow. Interesting interview with Starling afterwards..
     
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    Blimey that takes me back. I remember Marlon just laying there and thinking, I'm sure that was after the bell!
    That was a good fight night. Lol
     
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    The interview. Dude had no clue he'd just been KO'd.

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  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Never understood how a guy loses that way. Just not right to reward a guy for a foul like that.
     
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  13. USFBulls727

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    I would tend to agree, but I suppose they do it that way so a fighter who's behind can't avoid a loss by exaggerating the effects of a low blow and getting out of the fight. Sucks for the fighter though if they're genuinely too hurt to continue. Aside from Sharkey-Schmeling, Chung is the only example off the top of my head where a fighter was given 5 minutes, but chose not to go on. Definitely doesn't happen often...
     
  14. klompton2

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    I get it but there has to be a better way. I mean, the Starling example is awful. It should have been ruled a no contest or something similar. If there is a question of the legitimacy of a foul then rule a no contest, withhold the purses and force the fighters to fight an immediate rematch in order to get their purse. The only problem then would be who would pony up the expense for the promotion and what would be done about the ticketholders.

    For a time back in the thirties and early 40s New York made it impossible to win on a foul but then you got situations like where Armstrong fouled Ambers so many times he had five points taken away because he knew he couldnt lose on a foul or Bummy Davis who fouled so often and so outrageously that he basically forced New York to break its own rules and DQ him.
     
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  15. USFBulls727

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    Yes, Starling-Molinares should have been ruled a No Contest. The problem in that case was that Larry Hazzard incorrectly (IMO, anyway) ruled that Molinares got the punch off in time, and that it was completely legit. I thought there was enough doubt there for it to have been ruled a No Contest. Looked to me that Starling was ripped off on that occasion in a fight he was dominating.
     
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