Evander Holyfield vs Larry Holmes primes

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Who wins and how

  1. Holyfield KO/TKO

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  2. Holmes KO/TKO

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  3. Holyfield Decision

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  4. Holmes Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I know they fought IRL but Holmes was 42 and gave him much trouble, even making the champion look inept at times. On the other hand, prime Holmes did have his struggles with fighters lesser than prime Holyfield. How does one see Holyfield fighting the 78-82 version of Holmes?
     
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  2. DBCOOPERJR

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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    My vote is Larry Holmes by decision.
     
  4. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes, certainly. Holyfield’s career belies how he’d perform against most of the Heavyweight greats, for mine. It’s largely ugly reading for him, & Holmes is part of that long L ledger.
     
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  5. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That jab is going to score the points. Just cannot picture Evander avoiding it and finding a way to win 8 rounds to get the nod. Hang tough and give a good account of himself---absolutely.

    Maybe in a 3 fight series Commander Vander can squeek out a narrow decision win. But Evander does not have that big and deep heart advantage over this opponent. Very well might be called "owen". As in 0 and 3.
     
  6. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes did pretty good when he fought Holyfield in his prime, while being 42. Prime Holmes wins that easier than a lot of poeple think.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Holmes by decision, and Holyfield s face is ruined at the end.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    I wouldn't be overly surprised if Holyfield took one in a trilogy. He's a better fighter at his best than Holmes ever beat. The hard thing is pinpointing what the best version of him would be to fight Holmes. It's not as easy as you'd think.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I agree as I said in another thread when Holmes fought Holyfield in 1992 Holmes fought a primarily defensive fight off the ropes that's not how a prime Holmes fought. Also Holmes was losing the fight fairly convincingly IMO until Holmes accidentally elbowed Holyfield cutting him badly, which allowed Holmes to make a mini comeback in last 2 rounds or so.

    I expect a prime Holmes to beat Holyfield by decision but it's not quite as clear cut just using their 1992 fight for reference as there is a few factors involved.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    The accidental elbow made a sizeable difference for sure. I'd favor Holmes in a one off but Holyfield has plenty to give him a tough time.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it also makes a difference regarding the mentality of Holyfield if he was facing a prime Holmes instead of 42 year old version, I'm sure Holyfield would be much more focused and full of intent.

    If you compare Holyfield that fought the likes of Holmes, Cooper, etc. And then compare it to Holyfield who fought Bowe in fights 1 and 2 two completely different animals.
     
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  12. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on the version of Holyfield prime Holmes would be facing.
    If we're talking the pre Bowe Holyfield, I see Holyfield giving prime
    Holmes pure hell. If not beating him by decision.
    Post Bowe Holyfield prime Holmes would have a much easier
    go of it.
    Holyfield lost quite a bit of his speed, and flexibility as he bulked
    up to deal with the bigger , stronger , but less skilled heavyweights
    he would face of that era. And for the most part those changes helped him.
    But against a heavyweight that was more skill and speed depended, that
    version of himself becomes problematic.
    I see post Bowe version of Holyfield losing a convincingly dec to prime
    Holmes.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Fair point too.
     
  14. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This. But if they fought multiple times, I don’t think Larry would bat 1.000. Maybe .750. But prime Larry was better IMO, I have him third and Holyfield 11th on my personal ATG heavyweight list.
     
  15. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don’t know that he was in a poor head state for Cooper, was he? That I know of. He just got caught simply, as I saw it. But if you have some insight, please…