If Tyson fought in the 70s he would not survive

That’s nothing.

The other year, I read where a guy had said:

“I just wish that Joe Calzaghe could have stayed around just a few years later, so that he could have fought Mayweather. Then we could have seen exactly who was the real GOAT”

Regarding Mike in the 70’s, he’d have done great overall.

Ali was past his best, where Frazier’s style gave him hell in 3 fights. So Mike would have had a very realistic chance of beating Ali in the 70’s.

I’d also have taken Mike to have beaten Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Shavers and Holmes.

The big one would be Foreman. We know what Cus said. He said that no small, pressure fighting HW could have gone at Foreman and beaten him.

 

Tyson would survive and whoever was writing that comment was being dramatic. But more fighters than just Foreman and Ali would defeat him. He would be maybe top 10ish. In his own era he was top 5ish but hit the scene before any of his any major competitors did.

No he would not take out Foreman. There are no fighters who should be expected to take out a prime Foreman. None, nada, nikto, nashi, nehum,nullus,nic,nessuno,neniu, ingen, enginn, gin, geen.

 

Top 10ish? Seriously? Who in the 70's, other than Ali, Frazier, or Foreman, do you think has a shot? Maybe Holmes once you get to like '78? I think there's a possibility that Tyson at his best could beat ALL of them. The only one I'd place money on over a prime Tyson would be pre-exile Ali, specifically the Ali who fought Williams. But I'd bet on the Ali who fought Williams against any HW who ever lived.

And you think he couldn't take out Foreman? Because slow-starting Joe Frazier, who wants to stand up close and therefore kept getting thrown off by being shoved back to mid-range, got blown out? I look at those slow wild swings young Foreman did and imagine Tyson absolutely blitzing him. Pushing? Tyson doesn't stand up close, that isn't going to come into play.

I give '74 Ali and '71 Frazier a better shot than '78 Holmes or 'anything Foreman. Ali probably wrestles Tyson to exhaustion then takes over, and if Frazier can survive until he really gets cranked up, he's probably going to pull it off.

 

Tyson would never even in his dream beat Foreman and Zaire Ali.
Frazier and Lyle is 50 50 and he would lose against prime Holmes.
He would beat Quarry,Chuvalo,Young,Norton,Ellis,ancient Patterson,Shavers,Mac Foster etc.

 

If 1986-88 Tyson appeared in the 70s, he would do the same as in the 80s.
Holmes, and Ali 70s don't stand a chance, I'm just giving Foreman a chance because of the lucky punch. Frazier doesn't stand a chance either.
So I'm ONLY talking about Tyson's years (86-88).
1967 Ali he would have had a better chance of beating such a Tyson.
You can read all kinds of comments on YouTube.

 

You have to be kidding.

 

Once Mike took a beating from Ali or Foreman and was ko'ed he'd have been on a down slope mentally.

 

Who besides Ali, and Foreman would beat him? Besides Holmes and Frazier, I see nobody I'd give even a punchers' chance to.

 

The irony of his last sentence. Like his post was any better.

 

No version of Holmes beats Tyson.

 

I disagree on Frazier. Tyson only got worse as a fight went on. Frazier only got better. If Frazier can last until their crossover point, he's going to give Tyson a ton of problems. Also, just due to the era they came from, Frazier would have more experience fighting dudes his own size than Tyson would -- for example, jabbing would actually be a thing between the two of them, and Tyson was used to dudes so much taller that the only point of his jab is to close distance. This might actually matter a bit. Also, Tyson is bad at fighting going backward, and Frazier prefers being up close, so he's going to constantly be moving back to try to create space. Further, I'm not sure if Tyson fought anyone with anything as quick as Frazier's left hook. Watch Frazier throw that thing -- he's not generally a guy with super fast hands, but his left hook is blazing fast. If you watch him in the ring with Ali, his hook is actually faster than anything Ali could throw by that point.

Just saying. There's definitely a world in which Frazier has a real shot.

Ali? I mean, he might pull it off in his '74 incarnation. He's as tough as old boot leather by that point, and he's a great grappler reported by opponents to be surprisingly strong, so there's the possibility of him running the Holyfield plan.

 

The arguments for the opposite side seem to assume that Tyson has more in common with Frazier than being short with a good left hook. He really doesn't.