Will Usyk get a fair shake against Fury?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Apr 17, 2024.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

    49,411
    15,513
    Jul 19, 2004
    This content is protected
     
    RSBonos, Leeroy84, Reinhardt and 14 others like this.
  2. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

    3,352
    6,249
    Apr 30, 2017
  3. sukuna2003

    sukuna2003 New Member banned Full Member

    66
    27
    Apr 17, 2024
    Think fury will comfortably outbox him but i could be wrong. I think fury is too big AND skilled for him.
     
    Joeywill, like a boss and AdamT like this.
  4. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,479
    2,941
    Sep 30, 2021
    How could someone be too skilled for a fighter who is the amateur world champion, Olympic gold medalist, undisputed cruiserweight champion and unified heavyweight champ?
     
    EJDiaZ, Oneirokritis, Tre and 14 others like this.
  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,364
    4,921
    Feb 27, 2024
    He's definitely not too skilled for Usyk. Too big? Maybe. But he didn't look great in 4 years. And he needs to be great to beat Usyk.
     
  6. sukuna2003

    sukuna2003 New Member banned Full Member

    66
    27
    Apr 17, 2024
    i don’t see how usyk can defeat fury. sure against someone like joshua who’s pretty much a 2024 frank bruno with zero concept of footwork, but against someone with the movement of fury? Also olympics don’t really tell us much, as amatuer boxing is miles away from pro boxing. I like fury by a comfortable UD.
     
    Joeywill and AdamT like this.
  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,364
    4,921
    Feb 27, 2024
    When was the last time Fury showed that "movement"? He's been a stiff ever since Wilder III.
     
  8. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    5,431
    9,434
    Sep 18, 2019
    Fury will win handedly enough
    All sorts of excuses will fly after the fight like,

    Fake cut
    Waited usyk out
    Boar meat
    Spiked usyks water
    Gypsy curse
    Etc
    Etc

    The tears will be delicious when Fury runs through him. Late stoppage or wide points
     
    Joeywill and chacal like this.
  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,479
    2,941
    Sep 30, 2021
    Name me 3 boxers that Fury beat who are as skilled as Usyk.
     
    Tre, BubblesUK, BCS8 and 1 other person like this.
  10. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,816
    4,469
    Feb 10, 2020
    "Will Usyk get a fair Sheikh?"
    Nice :applaudit:
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    78,382
    127,388
    Jul 21, 2009
    There's every reason to believe he won't

    Belly vs AJ is ''the biggest fight in boxing history''

    The Saudis are desperate to stage ''the biggest fight in boxing history'' as opposed to staging Usyk vs AJ III

    E-Hearn and Big Frank are desperate to put on ''the biggest fight in boxing history''

    E-Hearn and Big Frank are business partners with His Excellency

    In fact, he has chosen them to spearhead his Saudi takeover of boxing

    Usyk's manager Egis Klimas has an excellent stable of fighters and he's the man who has managed many of the best fighters from former Soviet states in the last decade but he hasn't been chosen to be one of their business partners

    Belly has already been on the right side of a highly controversial decision over in Saudi in order to ensure he got the opportunity to fight for undisputed and the Saudis got the opportunity to stage the fight

    One of the judges robbed Usyk in the AJ rematch over there in a fight Usyk won at least 8 rounds and was a clear winner, scoring the fight 115-113 to AJ

    He had AJ ahead 5-1 at the halfway point, inexplicably scoring the first 3 rounds to AJ, and one of the other two had it a way too close 115-113 to Usyk

    Look at the treatment Usyk's close friend, fellow former P4P #1 and countryman Loma has received from the judges and one ref (Cole)

    And last but by no means least, His Excellency is openly cheerleading for his business partner Big Frank's golden goose Belly

    This content is protected


    And this too. Pray tell AJ fans in what alternate universe, dimension or reality would AJ ever have to beat Usyk x 2, let alone a third time?

    Usyk has already soundly beaten him twice, the first time of which after being very inactive on a deck that couldn't have been more heavily stacked against him in AJ's backyard in front of 65,000 + vociferous and rowdy AJ fans and the second time over in Saudi with the huge distraction of his country having been invaded and being at war to contend with

    Usyk is the one who had everything stacked against him not AJ, including huge physical disadvantages

    Let's play through this scenario

    AJ has beaten J-Park x 1, on a deck heavily stacked in his favour in his backyard with a ref who wouldn't allow the short reach J-Park to fight in close

    So let's just say AJ gave him a rematch next (and J-Park is far more deserving of a shot at the winner of Usyk vs Belly than AJ is) and were to beat him again in what alternate universe, reality or dimension would he have to fight him a third time?

    This content is protected


    I don't think it's a reach to say that it appears like His Excellency, and I really want to afford him the benefit of the doubt, is Team Belly and Team AJ all the way and definitely not Team Usyk and many others have noticed this and not without good reason and make no mistake even the most ardent Belly fans have noticed it too and know deep down how unfair and wrong it is.

    I'm not saying for sure Usyk won't receive a fair shake over in Saudi but it's not like boxing isn't as corrupt as hell as it is and there's clearly a huge conflict of interest here.

    No one, if they're being honest that is, can deny there are very valid reasons to be concerned given all the aforementioned. Hopefully, the Saudis want everything to be on the level too.
     
  12. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,789
    2,486
    Jun 6, 2022
    Fury could get knocked down ten times and he'll still be gifted a comfortable decision. Usyk's only hope is a ko/tko.
     
    Easyrhino, lordlosh and vast like this.
  13. Hurrikeen

    Hurrikeen Member Full Member

    286
    335
    May 30, 2014
    Yeah I’m also of the opinion Usyk will have to completely dominate to get the decision. The Saudis are desperate for Fury v AJ.

    It would be a real shame though. An ATG like Usyk being robbed of becoming the Undisputed HW Champion in an era of super heavyweights is a depressing thought.
     
  14. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,478
    2,989
    Jan 6, 2024
    If we're looking at Usyk getting underscored 2 of Usyks 3 decisions at HW have been fighting British fighters in the UK. And the 2nd AJ fight in Saudi was a close fight even if it should have been a close unanimous decision. Part of why I think judging should be done by total points is SD allows one rogue judge to paint the picture of a razor thin fight. But regardless in the end you need 2 rogue judges to actually swing the outcome.

    If there is judging bias towards Fury its just the Saudis there is not a long history to point to like the one Rummy referenced with Canelo.


    I see the motive for Hearn and "His Excellency" to make Fury v AJ but I believe Fury doesn't want that fight and would use beating Usyk as an excuse to avoid fighting AJ altogether. And thats not baseless speculation at various points during the promotion for this fight Furys said as much, "Usyk beat AJ twice, I'll fight Parker/Zhang rematch winner"(back when that was a thing). Fury has not been consistant on this topic and hes also said the opposite mulitple times. But Fury v AJ is not a sure thing at all if Fury wins this fight. And I don't see thumbs being put on the scales in the hope of making it. The Saudi campaign does not seem like a means to an end to make one fight but rather an attempt to replace the US as the boxings main home. And I think in service of that goal any one fight is a blip on the radar.

    Also if Fury wins a close fight against Usyk wouldn't that just ensure the rematch they both keep saying will happen would have to happen? If Fury wins a close fight against Usyk fans will not want to see Fury v AJ they will want to see the rematch between Fury and Usyk.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  15. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,988
    19,870
    Nov 27, 2010
    Usyk has an uphill battle as the judges and ref will be compensated for favoring Fury. It’s so obvious. Usyk will have to stop Fury to win given the gift Fury was awarded against Ngannou.
     
    Reinhardt, lordlosh and catchwtboxing like this.