Ron Lyle vs Sonny Liston with a twist

Prime for prime Liston beats him by UD or Late KO but he would survive some crazy moments because Lyle is stronger and two handed unlike Williams and had good chin to plus he is the tough guy so Liston would not scare him.
I think Lyle beats 1967-1970 Liston by UD or late Ko like Leotis did.

 

I think Ron would beat Sonny in a Twist contest.

Sonny had power and a jab but the man had no funky moves.

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Liston still wins this. Liston here isn't as far gone as he was against Martin. Martin also boxed, picked his shots, and stayed away from Liston, which is the absolute last thing Lyle would do.

Lyle simply didn't have the ring IQ, or skills to employ such a game plan.

 

Yes, but then again, Sonny would beat Ron in a rope skipping contest, so there is that.

 

Totally different skill set.

When Sonny was in prison, they were whistling Night Train to themselves while working out.

When Ron was in prison, they had transistor AM radios listening to Chubby Checker.

That makes a twist context between the two a mismatch but gives Liston the edge in jumping rope.

 

At that point Ron Lyle would have had a real chance at beating Sonny Liston.

 

I'd also make Liston the favorite even if it's the 69 rendition. As I stated Lyle doesn't have the ring IQ, nor style to replicate Martin's gameplan. He also was rather slow.

What year are we talking? Any Liston up to '68 beats Williams imo. I think Williams wins in '69 or 70. Williams actually boxed very well against Liston, in their first bout before abandoning that by trying to overwhelm him, because he likely knew that was his only chance at victory.

Here he's facing a much slower Liston, with declined speed, endurance, reflexes, and durability. and unlike Lyle he's much much faster. He could very well overwhelm Liston, but he's better off employing what he did in the first bout, boxing nicely, using his jab, ducking in and out with brutal combos, etc.

Yes. The first Terrell bout. Liston was heckling Williams and teasing him because he was taking to long to finish him.

 

Yeah, Sonny was holding it together pretty well up to and around the age of 66 but after he hit that milestone, things fell apart very quickly.

Still, his resurgence to come back and beat Chuck Wepner when Sonny was aged 70, no less, was still a noteworthy achievement.

 

I have concluded based on Klompton's posts that speculation about a Liston vs Lyle bout is
not only moot but also unrealistic. The 1966-69 version of Liston wasn't about to fight anyone who could bang like Lyle.

 

Rope Skipping to the tune, "Night Train" by James Brown.

 

I like Lyle & the difference being hunger. Liston was in every way a lost cause at this time. He could bang & had fundamentals, but his heart wasn’t in it. Lyle would be out to make a name for himself & that would prove the difference in this particular scenario.

 

The Cleveland Williams that had been shot by the Texas State Trooper on Nov 30 1964 would have lost to anybody, he was a shell of himself.