Devin Miles Haney vs. Ryan García Quesada & Arnold Barboza, Jr. vs. Seán McComb RBR

Garcia is insufferable but let him enjoy his tainted victory.

 

Where does Ryan rank now? lol

 

Simple Haney made the weight and put himself through the stress Garcia did not so he cheated.

 

Well, haney made the weight and garcía didnt. What I fail to see is how it is possible to put both guys at the same level when one failed the weight and the other one made it.

Failing the weight is unprofessional. García is nuts, his mind is ****ed. Nontheless, I dont think that he won because of those 3 lbs.

Had I a fighter, I would always, ALWAYS advise my fighter not to fight if the other guy misses the weight.

 

When the advantage is the other way around in the ring, it's hard to see it as much other than a circus, surely?

Definitely unprofessional.

And no, he didn't win because he didn't boil down those 3 lbs.

And he was clearly lighter than Haney in the ring.

Even if boiling down 25lbs is "professional", it's unsportsmanlike and in a sport where real harm can be done it's a cowardly ass move.

Wouldn't it have looked ridiculous for Haney to refuse?

He was always going to be the heavier on fightnight.

It would've looked like a tantrum from a guy who abuses the system to the max thinking he's not getting maximum unfair advantage for a change - even though he still had his advantage by being the heavier on the night.

 

Simple - Garcia took the **** less on the draining, Haney took the **** more on the rehydration.

They both cheated - one did it within the rules and had an advantage on fightnight, the other missed weight and came in over but didn't have an advantage in the ring.

So is it really not easy to see why Haney gets very limited sympathy?!

 

I still fail to see how playing by the rules is unsportmanlike. Playing by the rules is never unsportmanlike.

Boiling 20 lbs down is quid pro quo. You have the advantage of being heavier in the fight, but you put your body under such a huge strain that you pay a toll in the fight as well. Haney was bigger in the fight, but Ryan, since he didnt put his body under heavy drainage, was fresher. Haney took this weight advantage by playing by the rules, whereas Ryan took his "freshness advantage" by NOT playing by the rules. If there is anyone here who fought unsportmanlike is clearly Ryan.

 

It’s not about sympathy. I have no sympathy for either guy. I respect Haney more because he was within the rules and did not cheat whereas Garcia was outside the rules and cheated. Open and shut case.

 

"noun

1. fair and generous behaviour or treatment of others, especially in a sporting contest."

I can't understand how abusing the rules to gain massive advantage by being more willing to risk your health outside the ring could possibly fit the definition of sportsmanship above.

I presume you would think that, for example, Lia Thomas swimming against natal women was completely sportsmanlike and fair, despite the clear and unfair advantage of male puberty?
I mean, the rules allowed it - until they didn't anymore.

I don't see much of a difference - exploiting a weak rule to take advantage of competitors can never be sportsmanlike in my book.

 

It's not equivalent - very clearly.

If there wasn't a huge advantage to be had, nobody would boil down that hard and experience that ordeal, take that risk, etc.

The reason they do it is BECAUSE it's a big advantage.

Okay, but as we've just established:
weight advantage > freshness

Ryan's not the naturally bigger fighter, and wasn't the bigger guy in the ring.

So who has the bigger advantage?
I can't see how it's possibly anyone other than Haney - just not as much as usual.

 

I respect Garcia for being less dishonest about his real weight.

They both cheated.
Most fighters do.

 

Ryan actually looked the bigger fighter in there but I stand by my point. 1 fighter made the weight the other one did not even attempt to make the weight and cheated.

 

No won 1 guy cheated. They should just have made the fight for 143.2 pounds that would have been a level playing field.

 

And yet they were both way over 150 on fight night, and Haney almost certainly comfortably over 160.

That 3lbs represents approximately 12% of the 25lbs that Haney normally blows up between the scales and the ring.

12%

How is it, in real terms, an uneven playing field when it's a fraction of the rehydration AND when the guy with the "advantage" on the scales is at a disadvantage in the ring?

And to be clear, I completely understand that Ryan was outside the rules - I just don't see how anyone can see it as a major problem when the rules are so loose that the weigh-in was already a nonsense.

I repeat: they both cheated.

One cheated within the rules, the other didn't - but they both cheated.

 

I always knew Ryan was better than Devin Haney, and now he has the dub to prove it.

...okay, I'll admit it; I thought Ryan was done and Devin was going to cook him, but I forgot the one thing that has always been true about Devin Haney; he's a chinny weight-bully who can't punch. Except this time he was in the ring with someone his own size, power, and faster hands. Ryan didn't exactly have to be Muhammad Ali to touch him up.

This also proves that Subrial Mattias would toe-tag Devin Haney. Karma is real, *****; bragging about the Loma "win" finally came back to bite you and your ***** of a father.