WBC strikes again Haney is still the champion

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    None of the belts belonged to Haney in the first place because the corruption which saved him from a certain KO loss last night, even more KDs, and multiple point deductions if not a DQ loss for an insane amount of holding was in full display the night he clearly lost them all in his own backyard to a tiny old past prime blown up 126 pounder he held an obscene size advantage over.

    The fact he had a home ref and three home judges for a world title fight, an undisputed one at that, which is almost the norm over in the US but literally never happens anywhere else in the world for world title fights between a home fighter and a foreigner shows you how rigged the deck is for US fighters fighting at home. But when he travelled to Australia to fight Kambosos x 2 all the officials for both fights came from neutral countries

    You think it's merely an accident that the refs for Hitchins vs Lemos and Haney vs Garcia allowed Hitchins and Haney to hold like octopuses from first bell to last which saved them from KO losses and multiple more KDs ad allowed them to survive or win rounds they shouldn't have? Every single person watching those fights could see how insane the holding was and so many of us were calling it out from the early rounds but the two guys with the best seat and view in the house couldn't see it? Not even a hard warning for holding, let alone points deducted. That's called CORRUPTION not incompetence.
     
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  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the title had have been vacant it would have remained vacant but Haney is the champion and Garcia didn't make weight. So it was a non title fight.
     
  3. Carinito

    Carinito Member Full Member

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    If one fighter can't make weight, it should be a non title fight.
     
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  4. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Devon brought a 140lb title to the fight, but the fight was contested at 143.5. He should not lose his belt...

    ... But he also should not want it, as it has become hollow...if not meaningless. Even if he rematches Garcia, it won't be at 140.

    He should just vacate and try to get his hands on another strap, honestly.
     
  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Exactly. I was astonished when I read that the title was vacated. I thought that the champion retained the title. What WBC is saying is exactly what I thought that it was going to happen.

    Ryan missed the weight, the belts were not on the line, so the champion remains the same no matter the result of the fight. It is different when the one missing the weight is the champion and not the challenger, ofc.
     
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  6. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Exactly, I dont see the drama anywhere, tbh.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Yeah the public were misinformed and i think it's caused quite a bit of angst as seen in here. Haney obviously knew it was not on the line.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    We're lucky we even got a fight as Haney didn't even have an obligation to fight after Garcia missed weight.
     
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  9. SimonLock

    SimonLock Member Full Member

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    Nothing wrong with this. Haney hasn’t lost a fight against a fighter at the weight at which he holds the belt, so he retains the title.

    When Bob Foster lost to Muhammad Ali he didn’t lose his Light Heavyweight title, because he wasn’t fighting against a Light Heavyweight.
     
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  10. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Thats exactly what i thought too, if Garcia didnt make the weight anyways.

    Like the cancelled Spinks-Muhammad 2 fiasco in 1983.
     
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  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought it was strange that Haney was being forced to vacate a title if his opponent was the one that missed weight. Anyway, there's plenty of precedence for titleholders keeping their belts after suffering losses in fights above the weight. Most recent example I can think of is Jojo Diaz missing weight, before defeating then-WBA featherweight champ Jesus Rojas in what had become a non title match.

    Haney retains his belt and rightfully so. He loses some standing in terms of lustre and in a pfp sense, but the strap should stay in his possession until he relinquishes it or loses it to someone who can actually make the 140lb weight.
     
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  12. IronMaster

    IronMaster Cheers banned Full Member

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    WBC are already probably planning how they can gift Haney a WBC title at Welterweight as easily as possible.
     
  13. kingcracker

    kingcracker Member Full Member

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    Honestly I can't say im surprised or displeased. it wasn't really a junior welterweight fight and this has happened before with Rey Vargas Vs o'shaquie foster and Julio Cesar Martinez Vs Roman Gonzalez. it has precedent
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK but the question is, what examples are there of a title being vacated after a challenger misses weight then beats the Champion? Or has that never happened before, because many fans seem to be under the impression that if the Champion is defeated, even against a challenger who didn't make weight, in a match that has already been established as a title fight, it remains a title fight and the title would become vacant. There have been claims by some that this is a routine procedure if the challenger misses weight in a contracted title fight, the Champion could still choose defend his title.

    Is this a situation where after Garcia missed weight, the WBC gave Haney the option of defend the title anyway or to not defend the title and make it a non-title fight? Did the WBC handle this any differently than the WBA, IBF or WBO has in the past in a situation such as this?
     
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  15. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    DAZN was lying through their teeth to promote the fight. This wasn't a real dispute now that the fight is over it doesn't matter.