Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia’s real weight in the night

He has to be using an IV in my opinion. There is no other way to put on that much weight in less that 2 days.

 

That’s bull ****. What counts is the ring weight. Ask Joey Gamache. Haney weighed more on fight night as he usually does. The fact is if getting down to division weight drains you then you are a weight bully and should be fighting in a higher weight class.

 

So the weight cut doesn’t affect fighters? Why don’t we just allow all fighters to come in overweight.

 

From my personal experience, draining even 6-7 lbs in a short period of time (say 24 hours) is not that easy task. To cut 10-11 lbs in 24 hours is extremely hard for natural athlete and it weakens him a lot at the event.

And it is impossible for any natural athlete to cut 20-25 lbs in 24 hours and gain them back.

 

36 hours but yeah, same

 

I tend to notice the same, I thought it possibly derived from the way in which he wins (often the much heavier man but still not a puncher, not the most exciting style etc) and that he kept winning, but even after this loss there's a lot of good riddance about it it seems.

Personally I think it's a bit of a shame, he comes across alright, fairly humble guy, clearly cares about the sport and his legacy etc.

Bill's actions have grated on me though, he's not taking this loss well with all the street nonsense. Someone said he makes Teo's dad seem reasonable!

 

Not true for the vast majority of the sport's history. But true today.

That's why basically NONE of the boxing champions in the lighter weight clasess today could actually compete in the divisions where they hold titles, which is patently ridiculous.

Again, there's no reason for a weight class to exist any more if you're not actually going to fight in that weight class.

Guys are just agreeing to an arbitrary weight loss contest these days before a fight, which makes zero sense.

The people who fought for the 140-pound belt in the past used to actually weigh between 136-to-140 pounds when they got in the ring.

That was kind of the WHOLE point, to figure out who was the best in that WEIGHT CLASS.

If the guys who hold the belts in a division could never actually get in the ring and fight at that weight, because they'd be too emaciated, how the hell are they best in that weight class?

It's the dumbest thing about boxing. The absolute dumbest thing. Dumber than all the belts.

Not only do most divisions have four champs, none of the four actually fight in those divisions, or could even compete at the weight.

The first thing they could do to better the sport of boxing would be actually moving weigh-ins to the afternoon of the fight, like they used to be.

That way, at least the people fighting for the belts would actually be boxers who compete IN that division.

 

It's up to almost 40 hours now. They had an "actual" weigh-in around 8 a.m. Friday morning and then had a "ceremonial" weigh-in for cameras that afternoon, where they didn't actually weigh them, they just read the weights from the morning.

Then the guys in the main event didn't fight to almost midnight (E.T.) on Saturday night. 8 a.m.

Friday morning to Midnight on Saturday night is 40 hours.

Have them come to the arena an hour to two before the whole card begins and weigh-in. That's what they used to do. That's why you often used to see main eventers in the arena sitting in the audience watching the premliminaries. They all got the building early to weigh in and most stuck around.

 

Nice video.

What Shawn Porter leaves out was he was a classic modern weight cutter. Weighed 165 pounds when he fought Usyk in the amateurs (they weighed boxers the day of the show) in 2007.

Stress will make it hard to dry out to 147, so will being naturally physically fit at 170 make it harder to get down to 147 for a few seconds on the scale, like Porter was doing.

12 years later, Porter was still drying out 20 pounds lighter for welterweight weigh-ins and rehydrating back up to nearly 170 pounds for the fights.

Porter fought a 170-pounder in his pro debut. But realized guys his own size were just too big.

Just move the weigh-ins back to the afternoon of the fights. Guys will fight in the divisions where they are most fit and can compete.

You don't have to worry about guys missing weight like you do now.

 

The question is more like how are they cutting down that far (in weight)? I've seen some guys even spit and keep spitting trying to get every last drop of fluids out of them to weigh in.

It's easy to put on weight if you are absolutely, totally dried out. Just start adding fluids and food. You can add a ton of weight in a day and a half, because your dried-out weight is the "false" weight where you shouldn't be. You're just going back up to where you're supposed to be.

My roommate in college ate and drank so much food after a weigh-in his shoes didn't fit (he was so emaciated going in). He said he had to unlace them.

 

Wouldn't trust any numbers for either under a buck sixty.

 

I agree, there's no way in my opinion that you can drain your body down to 140 pounds then put on 25 pounds in 24 hours and be at your best, it has to hurt your strength and probably stamina. I think Haney needs a new trainer who'll have him fighting at a minimum of 147, he'd have to be more physically stable at that weight and stronger

 

I strongly suspect, between those two choices, that the 161 and 165 pounds were the correct weights in the ring.

 

It depends how you define weight bullying.

It's true that the vast majority of fighters boil down a bit for the weigh-in... But that ignores the differences of scale.

Just because "everyone" boils down, say, 10lbs (which is still a lot) doesn't mean that the guy boiling down 25lbs isn't taking the mickey - regardless of the fact that he made weight and so was within the rules.

To me, it's a question of sportsmanship.
To have a huge weight and size advantage in most of your fights because you're willing to take bigger risks making bigger cuts than anyone else is beyond just risk:reward, it's unsportsmanlike - it's denying an even playing field to an opponent.

I know it's not an unpopular opinion these days, but it's perfectly reasonable in my view to both acknowledge that huge cuts are within the current rules AND to argue that this is a loophole that shouldn't exist to be exploited anywhere near it's current extent.