Do you think Ryan Garcia cheated?

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If Ryan really did cheat (and it's very possible), then ban him

But in this instance, it's just very convenient for Ryan to have been caught with PEDs. I've seen a lot of talk about Haney's close association with Victor Conte and the speculation is valid.

Of course Ryan is going to claim there's a conspiracy against him, but in this case I think there actually might be. I also wouldn't put it past Eddie Hearn to pull any strings possible to save the reputation of his only stateside PPV attraction (not that Haney is a big draw, but in relative terms to the rest of the Matchroom stable lol)

 

The sport could be as dirty as cycling was outed for being, if not more. It is different to any other sport, in the fact that it has no real governing body, has always had corruption at its core, and has been exploited at every opportunity during its growth in the past 70 years.

Cycling's doping problems back in the day were tolerated and ignored, because the sport was making so much money. Money was made, at the time, and thats all that mattered to those in charge, at the time.

I believe this could be the same in boxing. Especially, without a governing body!

For balance, is there an issue with how testing is done? Traces are found in everyday things sometimes, that can catch people out. Sure this is used as a clear excuse (pardon the pun), but has to be taken into consideration. *conspiracy* Is testing bent and corrupted too!

 

No, I don't think he cheated
I KNOW he cheated

 

Voted yes.

Honestly, it's pretty undeniable.

PEDs are a maybe.
Missing weight is a definitely.

The real questions are:
1) Was it deliberate? Did he never intend/try to make weight (looks like "yes")
2) Was his ped use really much more than most other fighters do, or was he just careless enough to get caught?
3) Even if yes to 1 and 2.... Did this actually give him much/any advantage?

And then

4) If no advantage, do we really care that much in this specific case? Or is it no harm no foul?

 

If it's just Ostarine he tested positive for then I don't have a hard time believing it was inadvertent ingestion; Ostarine is a low grade PED that can be found in supplements, and it is not really something connected professional athletes would use if they wish to dope, as they can get much more effective stuff. However if he has tested positive for Nandrolone metabolites then I would have a much harder time believing he is innocent; though as Tyson Fury showed when he popped for Nandrolone, play the mental health card, come up with a ridiculous excuse and threaten to sue the drug testing agencies and you can come away scot-free.

 

Cycling has the most rigorous testing of pretty much all sports; in comparison the testing in boxing and other sports is a joke. You can't really hold up cycling as a sport inundated with dopers when in actuality there are surely many more dopers in boxing as the testing is so lax.

 

At this point, I'm still uncertain. After all the facts are out hopefully the picture will get clearer. What.i do know is he spoke some things that are risky to speak about when you have a platform and this could be the fallout from it. I've never prayed for a single fighter but after I saw the things he invoked online I hoped he didn't take any damage that required medical attention during the bout lol. But on the other hand could be a classic case of cheating the system and missing. We do love good conspiracy theories though.

 

Is boxing corrupt? Yes. The reason that drives the powers that be to corruption is money. Now, if I am the one pulling the strings and being corrupt for the sake of money, I'm backing Garcia. He has the looks, and the following and is 10 times more marketable than Haney. Haney is almost the exact opposite of Garcia when it comes to marketing. Garcia is cringe, but Haney comes off like an arrogant punk. Not buying that Haney is protected by the big boys behind the scene.

And please stop with the narrative that the Haney win over Loma was some huge miscarriage of justice. The fight was close. You know that I was pulling for Loma. I wanted Loma to win. I had the fight a draw and it really came down to a few close rounds. The 2nd being one of them. If I remember correctly, if I gave Loma the 2nd, he would have won on my card.

 

No. Haney got outsmarted. How can someone rehydrate overnight by 25lbs. My little head still find it difficult to comprehend

 

No I don’t think he cheated. He got tested weekly so it makes no sense for him to do PED’s right before the fight. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if they were just trying to defame Garcia to keep Haney’s 0 when we saw what the judges and ref did on fight night. They won’t stop until he gets that 0 back

 

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Garcia is up there with Big Pharma Miller and his cocktails of PEDs.

 

Is this so hard for people to believe? Garcia was having a hard time making weight as the fight got closer.

What is ****ing funny as hell are the people claiming conspiracy of protecting Haney. Haney cant draw fly to **** compared to Garcia. So what are they protecting exactly?? Boxing ugliness has always been about money. Haney is not a draw.