K2 Brothers vs The Brown Bomber

0-1 record above Middleweight.

End of conversation I'm not discussing Golovkin with you again after the last thread.

 

But we are talking about Louis and his vulnerability to small guys.

So you are allergic to Golovkin? Breaking out in a rash?

OK fine, let's swap Golovkin out with Canelo.

OMG Canelo is a counterpunching monster who weighed 175 on fight night. His stats are even better than Conn's Clearly Louis is in deep trouble here since weight and style don't matter in classic.

 

No I'm allergic to stupidity and trolling hope that helps have a good day.

 

Honestly I think Clenelo and GGG do pretty well against heavys, on a similar level to Mickey Walker. A few of GGG’s heavyweight sparring partners felt like they were genuinely capable of being sparked.

 

So, let's be clear here.

Making the argument that a 50lb weight disadvantage against ATG skill SHW boxers doesn't matter for Louis is more obtuse than making the case that a 25lb weight disadvantage doesn't matter for GGG against Louis.

If we take styles into account then it becomes even more clear that Wlad fed off little guys trying to close the gap on him and that Vitali would be more than happy to grind Louis up in a slugfest where his physicality counted the most.

Some of the old farts that lurk about in the stale corridors of this place like to pretend these facts don't apply to old time boxers.

Unfortunately they do.

With regard to Golovkin you would be far better off in making the case that he is essentially in the same position against Louis that Louis is against the Klitschkos. Namely the KO artist trying to KO a much bigger guy whose physical metrics are going to be a major problem for him no matter how great he was at middleweight. You'd be better off pointing out that Conn was an elusive boxer type that liked to make guys miss and that Louis (in part due to his style of being set when throwing punches and hence having plodding footwork) had a hassle in dealing with him. A hassle that he was not likely to have as much against GGG who is not trying to execute the Conn gameplan.

But, that requires analysis and thought, something which seems to be in short supply here lately.

A good day to you all.

 

Honestly I don't know what your issue is lately but last two threads I've interacted with you in your posting has been abysmal and full of bait or trolling.

I don't know if you're just bored or you go completely bonkers because you have some weird fanboyism with Golovkin.

Regardless I'm tired of reading this tripe so I'm going put you on ignore you can have fun baiting/trolling someone else.

 

Cunningham 6’3”, 210 lbs dumps Fury 6’7”, 254 lbs (see below).

4” height advantage and 44 lb weight pull in Fury’s favour.

What would one make of a junior lightweight pulling off same against a light heavyweight?

Or even a 175 lb’er doing same to a 220 lb’er - unless the latter has some serious tinkle in his whiskers?

Obviously, beyond a certain weight threshold, a fighter can conceivably hurt any man of any size and weight above that threshold.

Louis proved this beyond a doubt on several notable occasions.

In general, that “one size punch fits all” obviously doesn’t figure equally in the lower weight divisions.

Also, I could’ve sworn that Louis, on a very off night, still beat Conn on his best night ever.

Some people try to squeeze far too much mileage out of that one fight.

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That’s different because people here were alive to see him & the sport has, “evolved.”

One can clearly see just how drastically better Holyfield’s jab & conditioning were to Louis, for instance. Evolution no doubt.

 

“Better fighter” is not an evolution. But if we’re going by the logic of someone being far better than the opponents of the other guy, are we going to discuss the continent-sized gulf between Wlad’s dumping ground of an era & a prime Louis? It’s at least as wide a margin as what’s between Wlad & Baer or Simon.

 

We're really comparing GGG to Louis now to prove a point ? This ****ing forum

 

I don't think this is getting anywhere. I agree with you more often than not, but We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Both guys were great. I guess I'll just leave it at that.

 

This is a fair take, and I agree that Wlad matches up better. I think his shots reach the target a little faster, and he has better one-punch power.

I think Wlad was still a work in progress for his first 3 losses. I don't think he really hit his stride until a few fights into his time with Manny Stewart (I believe the first Brewster fight was their first together). I'd say the same for Louis, that he hadn't peaked yet when he was KO'd by Schmeling.

FWIW, I don't think Vitali ever loses to Byrd without the arm injury, so I don't think it factors into this very much.

I agree with your last paragraph. Maybe Joe has a chance, but it looks like an uphill battle, all things considered.

 

I don't rate Bowe or Douglas as highly as y'all seem to do.

 

I agree that Wlad has a much better chance vs Louis than Vitali.