Ryan Garcia CLEARED of banned PED (19-Norandrosterone). Ostarine B-samples to be tested on May 22

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  1. Mugen38

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    Garcia bashed Haney up Gronk Style (who needs Kronk Style)
     
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  2. I Dont Play With Dolls

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    Could be he used it to try and aid him in his attempt to rapidly lose BF, who knows really, there are many reasons to use it.
    I believe Floyd was using his IV's to rehydrate, something he swears he doesnt do, but using IV's is much more efficient than oral rehydration.

    I don't believe Ryan used them right before the fight, I think he was using it in training and was using a masking agent, which either got flushed out when Ryan dehydrated himself to make weight, or he stopped using the masking agent, as they have negative side affects for the fight, because he though enough time had gone by since he stopped taking it, that the Ostarine was already out of his system.
     
  3. kirk

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    When the substance is a known contaminate, why not wait until the process is through before damning someone? Most people arent defending a drug cheat, they are defending the possibility he didn't knowingly cheat. The process of investigation hasn't even concluded yet... they haven't opened his B samples and they still need to test his supplements. It's literally why they do B samples.

    Nothing wrong with trying to give fighters the benefit of the doubt before all steps have been completed and its been proven.
     
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  4. Serge

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  5. I Dont Play With Dolls

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    Fair enough... and thats the right thing to do.

    Just seeing allot of conspiracy theories / excuses all over the internet... and seems like its spreading here too, heck even scrolling up a lil and you come across ridiculous comments
     
  6. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    He popped for 1 BILLIONTH?
     
  7. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ignorance is not acceptable in defence of tax evasion or in breach of law, nor should it be tolerated in the world of performance enhancing substances and the accidental ingestion in relation violations of the testing agencies which the fighters have committed to.
    There’s no grey area here your clean or not.
     
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  8. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he was spiked whole different ball game…but I haven’t seen any actual statements from vada..
     
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  9. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is all so ridiculous. They are going out of their way to dismiss Garcias dominant win. It’s shocking they love Haney that much.
     
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  10. Serge

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    2020 Serge on Ryan

    There are plenty more posts where I inadvertently prophesied Ryan was on ostrich juice, going all the way back to 2018
     
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  11. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    It's probable that the longer the aftermath of the fight goes, the worse for Haney's confidence
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed even if taking unknowingly a ban is required, but a shorter ban is usually the case when an athlete ingests a PED unknowingly and the win should be invalidated, but you never know with boxing the sanctioning bodies seem to inconsistent at times when regarding fighters dope. Like Khan's loss to Peterson which should be a NC but it still counted as a win for the PED cheat Peterson.
     
  13. liger1992

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    Real talk. If he is 60 x the allowable limit then there is no defense for it. None at all.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Says the corrupt dope peddler working with Devin Haney. Impeccable totally trustworthy source!:lol:
     
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  15. It's Ovah

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    PEDs aren't just anabolics though, and while packing on too much unneeded muscle would be bad for any boxer (especially when they need to remain within a certain weight) muscle rebuilding following breakdown is extremely important for recovery. A lot of PEDs can also confer strength, speed, stamina and other increases without necessarily having you put on a load of weight.

    I might be wrong on this but my understanding is that most PEDs aren't necessarily needed in the system at the time of performance. Rather they're used in the months prior to the fight to improve the quality and intensity of the training and to aid recovery so that by the time the fight rolls around the fighter is significantly stronger, more explosive, has better stamina etc than they would have been had they done things the traditional way. Those are the things that confer the performance benefits, not the mere presence of the PED in their system (which is usually picked up as a trace metabolyte in drug tests, provided the testers know precisely what to look for).

    Re: the IV thing I believe that's generally used to regain weight and replace electrolytes following a heavy weight cut (which at the levels that an IV is required would most likely have involved diuretics). There's also use of IVs to quickly flush the system, though that seems to happen during training when it seems likely a fighter is about to undergo a 'random' test (there's usually a brief heads up by the testing orgs).

    Yeah, boxing at the top level is one hundred percent about trying to cheat and not get caught since at that stage boxers are mostly training at the very limits of their natural capacities, so anything that can confer even a slight advantage could tip the balance. PEDs are only one part of the equation though. There's also gamesmanship and grey area cheating like weight bullying, rehydration clauses etc. It's a very dirty game and there are few if any innocent players.