Ryan Garcia tests positive for PED Ostarine

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Ban Garcia from boxing?

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's a well known fact that doping agency is years behind top Pro athletes when it comes to PED, so athletes and their doctors knows the way to go around them 100%.
     
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  2. Brighton bomber

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    For Ostarine it's just 24hrs, not sure how long it would take to completely metabolised to be able to pass a test, it probably varies a bit depending on the individual.

    But according to a tweet by Victor Conte, 1 billionth if what Garcia is saying is true is 60 times above the legal limit. Having 60 times the legal limit of any PED suggests this wasn't a case of cross contamination.
     
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  3. Mark Anthony

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    No, the A and B samples are from the same urine test, B samples are just to check that test A was done properly, Garcia has been cleared of taking any steroids but is still busted for Ostarine.
    Ryan Garcia CLEARED of Testing Positive for Nandrolone ...
     
  4. AlwaysFirst

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    Clenbuterol is a stimulant and is a completely different drug, a drug that makes sense to take because you get an instant effect. Clenbuterol is a good drug to take for cardio, focus and energy.

    Sure, on paper Ostarine sounds like a good performance enhancer, unfortunately it’s useless in real life. I have tried it 2 times, useless both times. Those fancy articles you read is sponsored by companies that sell them. Ostarine has no instant effect and a useless drug overall.

    Nandrolone is another drug that has no instant effect and a drug you have to take for months to get full effect from and it stays in your system for months as well so if Garcia tested clean during camp he did not use it. Nandrolone is a good drug that works, it just has to be taken over a long period of time.

    So far you haven’t given a single good argument why it was clear Garcia was on “the sweet juice”.
     
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  5. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My statement was that you can’t use a “fake dick”.

    Btw “athletes and their doctors knows the way to go around them 100%”?? So according to you, Garcia is on the juice but it’s not way to prove it?? The conspiracy you just stirred up is kinda funny, so pretty much everybody is on the sweet juice but it’s no way to prove it, only those you pick is guilty??
     
  6. liger1992

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    That tells me Garcia was having major problem with the weight and took something to drop weight while retaining muscle.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm wondering if it's even worth to answering to quote on this forum anylonger. It's like chatting with a wall, and they completely miss every single point you make, ignore the stuffs they don't like, and come with stuff you already covered.

    Firstly there is no magical stuff, even with the "best" Peds, to have any real gain from them you absolutely will have to do a cycle with them. 2-3 months or whatever Boxer PED cycle lasts. Every single PED, doesn't matter the b.c. chatting of instant effect is actually working through accumulation for it's best effect. Yeah some will benefits you a lot early, but in order to see an actual lasting result it's still the effect has to accumulate.

    Clen on paper does a lot of things, in reality not so much. Does that sounds familiar to you?
    You can say the same for any PED, which leads me that you are just talking bollocks.

    Firstly i don't know you, secondly you don't know me. So your case of i have taken Ostarine, but it's useless cause i try it, it.s just chatting s****.
    I have also taking PEDS back in the day and have a very good knowledge, mostly back in the day, but again this is just my word.

    But what leads me to not take you seriously on the topic is this:

    Firstly everyone that knows a s**** knows that different stuffs work differently on different people, this ain't an opinion this is a fact. And this is true for training, exercise, supplements, peds, etc.
    What maybe working for you, doesn't mean will work for anyone else or vice versa.

    Secondly there is multiple factors, like food regime, life regime, training regime, what your overall cycle is, what quality the supplement is, etc, etc.
    As PED(yeah i relate pretty much everything that is banned to them, as the name suggest performance enhancing) there is a quite a range in terms of quality.
    So an average will most likely get s**** stuff, with very low dosage of the "actual stuff".

    Clen to me does next to nothing, and it's side effects was literally make it impossible for me to use it. Same for me with Winstrol, does that make them useless ? Absolutely no.
    With Clen i have terrible muscle cramps, which literally didn't allow me to train, especially legs, and running was a nightmare.
    With Winstrol i had a blockage of sweat glands. Make it impossible to use.
    And this is on normal low dosage. Well i know people that tooks quite larger dosage and had no problem with it.


    And my main point you somehow completely manage to miss.
    Every single athlete(like 99% of them) when pop is for very small dosage, aka traces.
    That doesn't mean they have taken low dosage, it's mean they couldn't get it out of their system.
    Again what say in the description for life lasting on a certain PED(again universal) call, doesn't mean a s****. Because again pro athletes have doctors. Every single one of them. Whyte has, Fury has, Connor Benn has, Garcia has, Haney has, everyone has.
    And Fury uses Connor Benn doctor for example. And this guy is a famous for explaining how to get around drug testing.

    So that lasting time could be severely reduced or when the test come, you could be full with it, but just not poping for it, cause of the procedure this guys have. Masking agents, etc, etc.
    They knows how to pass test, and so on.

    And yeah i have always says that 90% of the pro athletes(any sport) are on the sweet juice. But it's still a wild guess, unless someone pop. Then it's not a wild guess anymore, but a certainty.

    This is the last on the topic for me. Garcia should be banned and that ban should be at least 2 years.

    And i like Garcia, but a drug cheat deserve to be banned. And while i don't like Fury and everyone knows that. At least he served his 2 years ban.
     
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  8. steviebruno

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    ...So your anecdotal evidence is more credible than the fancy articles?
     
  9. AlwaysFirst

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    Well, if you look around it’s known that Ostarine is useless for performance enhancing, not only to me but to everyone. Pls find me a fancy article were they tested athletes and they actually got anything out of Ostarine. If you give Ostarine to fat out of shape ppl it might work, but so will any activity.
     
  10. AlwaysFirst

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    So you know how a cycle is done but you still have delusional opinions about it, interesting.

    Clenbuterol is proven to have an effect since runners/cyclists are using for cardio/focus and bodybuilders for losing weight.

    Ostarine have been proven not to work for athletes. It might work for fat and out of shape ppl but so would anything as long as they start working out.

    If it was anything else Garcia got caught taking I could believe it but I refuse to believe him being so stupid to take Ostarine, no athlete on any level should be that stupid.

    You seem like a good guy, we should find out soon, until then you can continue with your conspiracy theories. ;)
     
  11. steviebruno

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    Which athletes are going to confess to using such a thing?

    Here's a fancy article from USADA, though...

    https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/substance-profile-ostarine/
     
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  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Sorry but you are cha**** bollocks. Look at the post above mine. Who's in his mind will say this or this PED is working full time ? Actually they mostly likely are going to say it's not working if anything for obvious reasons lol.

    And again this things are absolutely individual. For million time already as you obviously are reading selectively and i'm not going to waste my time explaining basics stuffs for 3rd time already. Just because something ain't working for some, doesn't mean it won't work for someone else. Again there is a million factors involve, so just selectively say this ain't working is just showing your obvious bias towards Garcia.

    And i never say clenbuterol doesn't have it's use or it's useless. I clear explain that for me it's not working, as i have terrible muscle cramps with it, when i used it.
    And again no one is going to use just clen or Ostarine. They are using this stuffs combined with plenty of more most probably, and when you do your cycle you will see the huge results. Especially for athletes.

    The matter of the fact is Garcia poped dirty and should be banned.
    If his B sample comes clean, great, don't touch him. It was contaminated sample.

    If you think i'm selectively hating on Garcia, look at my post after the Haney fight. And how happy i was for him, and that he school that fraud.
     
  13. RealDeal

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    Our star wide receiver at the college I went to was caught using a fake dick during an observed urine drug screen. From my understanding, it was basically a realistic looking fake dick that you would fit over your real one, and then it had a thin tube inside of it that would transfer the clean urine from a pouch velcroed around your thigh to the head of the fake dick. I believe there was some kind of little valve on the underside of it that you would need to discreetly operate in order to start and then stop the flow of urine. Even with all that advanced fake dick technology, the guy still got caught. I never heard the exact details, but I bet trying to operate the valve is what ultimately got him busted. And he was doing all this for just weed too; it wasn’t like he had PEDs or hard drugs in his system. I believe he got kicked off the team too. The thing is if he’d just taken the test normally, he would have probably just been suspended a game or two once the THC showed up, but he got in a lot more trouble for the fact he was using this device. This all made national news too, as this was at an SEC school that wasn’t too many years removed from a national championship, and he was one of the best players on the team.
     
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  14. AlwaysFirst

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    That’s a crazy story, thanks for sharing. It’s not as easy as it used to be to pass the testing.
     
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  15. Mickc

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    Depending on how stringent the testing but apparently fake bladders/fake dicks etc all sussed out with the temperature of the urine that goes in the cup,like already mentioned though there are more peds than there are currently tests to find them,hence why they hold onto the samples so long .