Oleksandr Usyk in the 70s

I don't think I'm a knowledgeable poster at all lol so thank you for the compliment.

But nah it's all good, I see where you're coming from, and I also don't want to get into a firefight about it. No hostility from me, agree to disagree ^_^

 

Usyk uses him like a punching bag like Foreman did

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I wonder how I missed when Usyk became the undisputed ATG HW tHe bEsT eVer!!!...

Jokes aside; I think Usyk makes quite well in the 70s thanks to his skills and southpaw stance. Wins a lot, loses some, qualifies like a dangerous contender.

By the way; if Usyk fights in the 70s, then what happens with PEDs?
If you believe (as I do) that he is currently on the juice, then you need to substract 10-20 pounds of muscle from 70s Usyk to make a fair comparison.

 

In the 70s there was no drug testing at all and PEDs were common in sports. Boxing, at the time was probably the highest paid sport and in sports everybody is looking for an edge. If you think Usyk is able to add 10-20 pounds of muscle while avoiding a positive drug test now, think what he could do in the 70s with no drug testing at all.

I found this 2013 thread on a bodybuilding message board (GETBIG.com), they were talking about Mike Weaver, Ken Norton, the Weaver triplets and Michael Spinks. I don't know the posters and can't vouch for their truthfulness, but they have no reason to make this stuff up. These guys were not talking boxing greatness or who would win, they were discussing boxers they knew who used PEDs.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=466872.0
Some of the posts on the thread:
"He was USMC Mike and Ken Norton used PED while in San Diego. Fact."
" Ken told me this in person when I was in the USMC at Camp Pen. I knew his son too (UCLA). I also used to know the triplets. They used PED too."
"Witnessed Michael Spinks throw a empty bottle of winstrol away in the late 80's and he wasn't too big. Tyson still knocked his ass out in like 90 seconds."

 

His cruiserweight opponents are the size of 1970s heavyweights so obviously those fights have relevance to. Most people did not see the Chisora fight as competitive so not sure that fight has much relevance.

 

"Ken told me", "witnessed Michael" ... teenagers writing from their parents' basement

 

Especially since the reason it was "competitive" was because of the size difference rather then because of style or skill

 

1. Taking anabolic agents doesn't necessarily mean you're 10-20lbs heavier than you would be otherwise. Look at cyclists and marathon runners for instance. Usyk went from fighting at 208-212 as a lean cruiserweight to fighting at 220lbs as a less lean heavyweight, so there's no reason to think he has much if any unnaturally obtainable mass.

2. They're more PED's than steroids, and they've been extremely popular in every era of sports history, especially when drug testing wasn't a thing at that point. Stimulants were extremely popular for instance and were no doubt being used at the time. Cocaine laced eye drops were very popular for this.

 

Not all of them aren't Norton was 220 pounds of solid muscle, Foreman was 220+ pounds and had completely solid base.

And the likes of Gassiev who recently looked garbage vs Wallin at Heavyweight, and Breidis aren't great fighters on the same level as Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Ali. So whilst some of these Cruiserweights may well be similar sized to certain Heavyweights of the 70s they certainly aren't great like them which is a big difference.

Also people keep mentioning Chisora's weight hes 6'1 with 74 inch reach and has a considerable amount of fat on him. And as I keep mentioning a 210 pound Haye sent Chisora to the shadow realm and he weighed less than Usyk.

As for competitiveness of Usyk vs Chisora the average scorecard I've seen is 116-112 with some people believing it could be as close as 115-113. I do think alot of people see it as competitive but in no way was the decision debatable as Usyk clearly won but it was still competitive.

 

So how comes a 210 pound David Haye destroyed Chisora with ease ?

 

Source "trust me bro"

 

Yeah because Usyk really resembles Foreman's style of fighting and has equal amount of power SMH.

 

All in all I think Usyk's weaknesses at Heavyweight are not having concussive power hence I think an elite pressure fighter like Tyson, Frazier, would be horrible style match ups for him.

And also Usyk has shown some vulnerability to body punches so that could also be a problem in certain fights.

I think Usyk does well against most boxer types and they would they would all be very competitive fights, but pressure fighters who can close the distance in which Usyk can't keep off him because he doesn't hit with enough authority would be big issues for him as I said.

 

How come a 241 Park or a 246 Whyte or a 255 Fury wasn't able to? An exception doesn't prove the rule Chisora gave a lot of boxers problems and not all of them were able to convincedly beat him like Usyk did and he decisively did despite people scoring his missed and punches on the gloves more then Usyk clean punching.