Oleksandr Usyk in the 70s

He has more then enough power to keep Frasier off him and knock him out considering he's able to knock out people way bigger and stronger then Frasier.

 

Usyk has a modest 14 stoppages and has had 4 stoppages in the past 7 years.

Frazier took Ali's punches just fine who hits harder than Usyk with single punches.

 

Ali does not hit harder then Usyk especially since Ali was lighter then Usyk at his peak and doesn't sit down on his punches like Usyk does and Usyk constantly hurts opponents way bigger then himself which Ali never did

 

And...you guys think "teenagers" in 2013 were sitting in their parent's basement discussing Norton, Mike Weaver and his brothers, and Michael Spinks? I don't know a teenager who could identify a picture of any of them in 2024 and I would guess that would have been true in 2013. These fighters are/were not household names, some teenager somewhere might recognize Spinks name from seeing a video of his fight with Mike Tyson.

I can't imagine random people on a message board mentioning these particular names when discussing PED use among boxers. If they were making up things to impress their friends, why not mention more famous fighters?

Steroids/PEDs have been around a long time. If you want to believe the 70s heavyweights didn't use them (there were no tests for PEDs in the 70s, and PEDs were legal at the time) because they were too principled, you can believe anything you want. But, I don't believe it.

 

Why do you focus on weight all the time ? Being heavier doesn't automatically equal to being a harder puncher, otherwise Fury would be the GOAT power puncher based on that logic. Ali has more impressive stoppages all in all stopping a prime Foreman is much more impressive than any stoppage on Usyk's resume.

 

Why does anyone say anything on the internet ? Most of the time people lie on the internet and troll.

I'm supposed to believe an anonymous person on a forum with no evidence to back up their statements ?

As I said it's just a "trust me bro" source with no creditability.

 

Because weight is important in power that's basic physics a person who weights more will have a more powerful punch then someone who doesn't that's why weight classes exist you really think a welterweight will have more power then a heavyweight?
Sure it was an impressive knockout but it wasn't because of power it was because Foreman was tired Ali was never known for his knockout power the only people he was able to knockout were people who he either wore out or were much smaller then him. Hell Foreman was hurt by Young who was a small heavyweight and was not know for his power.

 

So why is Wilder considered the hardest punching Heavyweight of this era when his weight for the majority has been the same as Heavyweights from 30 or 40 years ago ?

Foreman was fighting in extreme heat vs Young and his knockdown was due to fatigue more than him being hurt.

You're claiming Ali isn't known for his knockouts when hes stopped the likes of Liston, Foreman, Lyle. Lyle and Foreman especially were 6'3 220+.

I'm not claiming Ali is a big puncher but he certainly has has more evidence of 1 punch power compared to Usyk.

There is no one on Usyk's resume that Ali couldn't of stopped.

 

They were punching other guys who would be today's Cruisers, with Cruiser chins... Looks impressive against a 200lber, let's see 70s Heavies bang out with 270+ Zhangs, Joyces, Furys, AJs etc.

 

Because most people are stupid and Wilder is overrated AF plus he has long ass arms and a throws everything behind his punches he still hasn't knocked out anyone good.
Liston was because of injury and because he took a dive, Foreman was because he was exhausted not because of his power, Lyle was 219 and Ali outweighed him and I don't think he knocked him down just wore him out and then overwhelmed him. Ali never stopped an opponent who outweighed him by more then 10 Ibs like Usyk has plus Usyk has shown the ability to hurt much bigger dudes, while Ali couldn't hurt Frazier or Norton two smaller boxers. And yes weight does matter its why if you look at any boxers knockout ratio the heavier the opponents the more their knockout rates go down.

 

Cruiserweight Steve Cunningham at 210 pounds put 254 pound Tyson Fury on the seat of his pants with one right hand and was winning the fight.

 

Look i'm not a fan of Wilder but the fact is he's had many one punch KO's against fighters who weigh considerably more than him. And his weight is between 70s/80s sized Heavyweights.

Here's a question for you do you honestly think Ali couldn't stop Dubois who quit after a jab ? and who was on the floor 3 times by an absolute nobody prior to the fight with Usyk ? you don't think Ali couldn't stop Chazz Witherspoon ?

 

Usyk knocking Frazier out?????

Highly doubtful that Usyk manages to accomplish what not even Foreman managed to do, because those Frazier's defeats were TKO.

 

Seems like i'm in the minority here but i find it baffling people believe Usyk could replicate what Foreman did to Frazier. It's like none of the responses in this thread have any logic at all or maybe i'm missing the point but i'm baffled in all honesty.

In what universe does Usyk have anywhere near the power of Foreman ? or his aggression ?

 

He could wear them out maybe but outright knockout? Probably not based on his inability to do so to worse fighters. You need to look at objective facts rather then with nostalgia glasses, Ali never knocked out someone larger then himself.