How much (if at all) did Roy Jones's losses change your view of him, ATG?

Not much as he had already accumulated a stellar resume

 

This is a harsh post.

 

I agree with a lot of it, although it might be a little too one sided. But where in the hell did he get the “Roy ducked a rematch with Hopkins” from?!
Ol’ Snaggletooth blatantly ducked the rematch and was perfectly ok with getting emasculated on live HBO…”Bernard, the only reason you got a belt is because I moved up…60-40 and I WHOOP yo’ ass!”
Bhop, as great as he was, would never had fought Roy until he was 110% sure the coast was clear and that Roy was no longer a threat of any kind.
Prior to his fall from grace, Roy would’ve absolutely beat both Hopkins and Toney in any rematch regardless of what great shape they may have been in. Roy would’ve always had their number.

 

If Roy Jones ended his career after the Ruiz fight, we would probably wonder how to compare different eras and whether Robinson, Greb or Langford could be higher due to the number of fights they fought. I think that a lot of people would give RJJ as No. 1 ever p4p. But the Tarver fights showed that Roy was human and today we speculate whether it was still that Roy or just a part of Roy and how big a part it might have been. Unanswered questions, I think that RJJ did not have a glass jaw, but all its parameters dropped significantly at some point, including resistance. His assessment may be influenced by his use of PEDs, although it is difficult to say that he is any different from others in this regard.
It's a pity that he didn't fight McClellan in MW, Benn/Eubank in SMW, Michalczewski in LHW. Too late fight with McCallum. Instead of returning to LHW after Ruiz could have fought the wrecked Tyson in 2003, it would still have been a big, business fight, but one that would have cemented his legacy. I think he would have ridiculed Tyson at that moment. To sum up... his career after 2003 has little impact because he managed to achieve great things. belts in 3 weights, dominant victories over Toney, Hopkins, Hill, Del Valle, McCallum, Johnson, Hall, Vaca, Paz, Ruiz. I miss a few good names along the way more than I care about the fact that he suddenly turned into an ordinary boxer.

 

His fall was the fastest and hardest to process I've ever seen .... for fifteen years he was untouchable and then devastating , John Tate going to sleep style KO losses mounted up .. it made you wonder about his chin to some degree as if he skirted by on his insane reflexes like a 1960's Ali but unlike a 1970's Ali he could not take it .... it made you think about what he took to go up to 200 to fight Ruiz and what the withdrawal did to his body to go back to 175 ..... that said for fifteen years he ws by far the most dominant champion I've seen and the best P4P , way better than Mayweather ...

 

Here's a hint: he got "old over night" because PEDs testing became better and he got busted. Jones was a PEDs cheat in an era when testing was in its infancy. That's all.

Don't rate the guy.

 

It did a bit.

 

He sure didn't look old in the rematch.

 

Not only that, a case can be made that Tarver of the rematch was the best opponent that Roy ever fought. He got to a certain level and failed.

The only other guy who I see as having a case for being better was a green Hopkins. Toney and Ruiz were worse.

 

He never went up to 200. The weights are on record.

 

So he went up eighteen pounds in six months to fight Ruiz and was still ripped then came down to light heavyweight eight months later for Tarver, looked terrible and was never the same there after. That's my point. What's your's ?

 

I pay little attention to the downside of great figthers’ careers. The shell they leave behind after their greatness fades doesn’t factor into their ATG status.

Ezzard Charles, Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Mike Tyson getting stopped by journeymen (if he had 10 more fights he might have lost them all at that point) … who cares?

Same for Roy Jr.

 

Your point is dishonest. He was cutting to get to 175 and entering the ring at 180 something. He fought Ruiz at 190 something.

He looked a little off in the first Tarver fight and looked normal in the rematch until his lights got put out.

Could it be that this gaining 10 or 15 pounds and being permanently shot after losing it thing only applies to Jones? Funny how guys like Canelo could drop down in weight and be fine or others like Munguia and Chavez Jr. could shed absurd weight to get to 160.

 

Your point is completely off ... Roy Jones went from the best P4P in the world to losing seven of his next twelve fights, four by devastating KO's while being badly hurt and hanging on to survive in several others ... nothing close to that happened to any of the fighters mentioned .. he moved up in weight , came down and was shot . He clearly did something that took it's toll on his body and never recovered and in that loss exposed a chin that was never tested under fire ... it is extremely questionable ...

 

I don’t think the sharpness of the decline — be it steady or off a cliff — matters much. Ray Robinson went from middleweight champ to fighting basically club fighters while Roy was still fighting contenders and championship-level guys immediately upon his decline. So Ray’s record at that stage was padded to keep the decline less steep … but he also lost to some of those club fighters. Same with Ezzard.