Can Tyson Fury defeat Oleksandr Usyk without using illegal tactics and dodgy officiating?

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Will Fury need dirty tactics and dodgy officials to defeat Usyk?

Poll closed Sep 26, 2025.
  1. Yes, without them he would not win

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  2. No, Fury will be an honorable man and win fairly

    41.5%
  1. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Active Member Full Member

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    I think Fury will win without any controversy whether it's a decision or stoppage.
     
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  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Could Ali beat some of his best opponents without some tactics?
    Ricky Hatton?
    Ward?
    Wlad?
    Mike Tyson?
    Floyd even to a degree bending below waist and using forearms etc?
    Lewis?
    Holyfield without his head?
    Etc
    Etc

    Fury will fight ugly at times, perhaps, but he will be no dirtier than many above

    Keep the excuses coming boys. The tears will be delicious come the weekend
     
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  3. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Lol .

    Of course fury will try to make use of his size and weight advantage , its not his fault usyk is fairly small for hw when he moved up . i expect him also hitting the body knowing that usyk is soft there and making general use of his reach advantage .

    When it comes to really dirty tactics i expect more to see something from usyk - like intentionally trying to open fury,s his cut and / or some actor performance claiming it was a low blow should he go down from a body shot . He might also simulate a general injury should he realize he is about to loose .
     
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  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So the Ngannou elbow was fine? Or the not given KD for Ngannou in the 7th. round.
    Or it was perfectly fine Ngannou to be robbed on the scorecards? Or it's perfectly fine that Fury always get long counts?
    Or what he did to Cunningham was fine?

    There is rules, and trying to excuse someone with a previous breaking, aka cheating of the rules with some other boxer is terrible example.

    So Salido gets away with 100+ lowblows against Lomachenko, cause the referee was either corrupt or blind, so it's fine everyone to lowblow the s*** out of his opponent, just because Salido gets away with it ?
    So Salido did it, so it's perfectly fine and not dirty if anyone does it, right?

    And the big problem lies is, the refs are not blind, and they knows the rules very well. It's just that they are paid to close their eyes for the right guy.
    If the wrong guy is doing it though, he will get DQ.

    Also he would have won or lost anyway is a terrible example.
    That's why MMA is getting so much attention lately, and quite honestly it's so much better to watch and follow.
    Rules are rules, and doesn't matter if someone before gets away or your the biggest star in the roster, if you foul it's going to be called. You will get penalized for it, or even DQ.

    And Johnes is a good example. His only loss is a DQ for illegal elbow, on a fight he clearly not only was winning, but dominating.
    And can you give you plenty of example of it.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's not. And there is a huge difference between clinching, holding and leaning on your opponent. As Holding and leaning are completely forbidden, and it's a clear fault.

    It's just that the promoters are picking the officials and they are helping their fighter.
    Clear as day, and why Boxing is such a joke, when it comes to fair fight.

    You can prove me wrong with the written rules, but you can't, as i already have posted the rules where it's says clear that holding and leaning is not allowed in any sense, and it's a fault that is penalized.
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This guy is a troll that just repeating the same sentence, and when you present him the evidence, he start switching the topic.
    Typical of Fury fanboys.
    It's absolutely waste of time arguing with any of them. Why would anyone waste his time with toxic fanatics that defend him religiously, no matter what he do ?
    Ignore is the right option. :D
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is the main reason i always said Fury will duck AJ. He just won't get any advantages, and he can't age AJ out, as he did with Usyk, waiting till Usyk is 37.5 years old.
    Also Hearn won't allow shady referee and judges, so Fury will never ever fight AJ, win or lose on Saturday.
    Hell i think there is a bigger chance of Fury cashing out against AJ if he loses to Usyk. But if he wins, he will never ever fight AJ.

    He can't bully AJ, his dirty tactics won't work against AJ, and he can't clinch and lean on AJ, as we see in Ngannou fight.
     
  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I didn't see the part where you showed me an undisputed HW fight where clinching didn't play a part. Even normal heavyweight title fights. Vitali Lennox. Lennox Holyfield. Tyson Holyfield. The list goes on.

    THIS IS THE FIGHT GAME

    NOT BOXFIT

    Usyk is getting clinched and he's hoping to use his half guard and lateral footwork to evade getting into that position. Fury has come lighter to ensure he can box with Usyk early doors.
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Again clinching is one thing, holding and leaning is another. Maybe learn that first, and then ask stupid question.
    Lewis was warned hard against Tyson for holding and leaning on Tyson.

    Also using your height, reach and size, doesn't mean using illegal tactics. It's mean to tall fight, using your reach, your size, aka your opponent has to punch upward, and that is lowering the impact of his shot, also the range of it.
    And weighting more, should mean you have more pop, not hold and lean on your opponent, until he is grogy.

    The rules are very clear. The only reason dirty stuff is allowed, is cause of corruption, and saying it's fine, it's saying you are okay with corruption, and everyone knows this.

    But Fury fans are not fans of Boxing, they are fans of him and his dirty cheating methods. He is prolly the dirtiest active fighter currently.
    His dirty tricks are well known, and in any fair sport the referee would have a close eye on him on every fight. But the reason he is getting a pass, and blind ref, is cause he is big name, and has big promoter that can pay for refs and official to close their eyes on him.

    You know what's funny though, how the f**** any of you Fury fans are going to accept the fact even with all the advantages he have, and all cards stacking in his favor, he is still about to receive the a** whooping of a lifetime !!!
    Then it's going to be mental.
     
  10. Walcott

    Walcott Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Fury fouls Usyk then Usyk needs to foul twice for good measure, he needs to put everything in to this one fight.
     
  11. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury will resort to holding, grappling, and laying on Usyk. Will it work??
     
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  12. pugilista

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    I believe that's his only chance, yes. Usyk is not only everything Fury has historically struggled with in the past, but he is also in much better overall shape—and I don't mean just from a body fat percentage point of view. You can only do so much weight cycling, drinking, consuming drugs, and eating junk food before it takes a toll on your body. Fury's legs and stamina are no match for Usyk's, and you can't lean on someone you can't catch. His power is not enough to bother Usyk either, so I really don't see too many options for Fury to win. I have this feeling that people will be shocked at how easily Usyk will beat him.
     
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  13. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

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    Fury's plan A will almost certainly be octopus mode. And you do want a decent ref in that situation (thankfully it's not Harvey Dock officiating).

    But I just can't imagine how well it will work against Usyk's movement. By the time Fury goes in for the hug I expect Usyk to be able to move and punch - he was like a viper whenever Joshua got close.

    The interesting part will be when the huggy bear routine clearly isn't working. Just how dirty Fury will fight I don't know.
     
  14. Arnie 101

    Arnie 101 Member Full Member

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    I hope you disappear for good Saturday your fanboyism has been so disgusting.
     
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