Why didn't Lewis face Ruiz and Byrd?

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see no reasonable argument for Byrd being the #1, or even the #2, contender.

    Wlad was the #1 contender. Sanders beat Wlad, which justified him moving ahead of Wlad in the rankings.

    It doesn't justify Byrd moving ahead of the guy who had dominated him in a 1-sided mismatch just a few fights ago.
     
  2. Bokaj

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    There might be kind of an argument for Wlad, but facing someone who just had been iced brutally is never a good look, no matter what happened the year before. In that scenario, facing the WBC mandatory, who was nr 2 for The Ring before Wlad lost to Sanders, can't really be questioned. But he didn't face him, nor Wlad nor Sanders, but signed with Johnson instead.
     
  3. Greg Price99

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    An ABC's mandatory was irrelevant to Lewis and more importantly to the public, at this point in Lennox's career.

    Besides, Lewis held 3 belts, he couldn't defend against the mandatory of each.

    If Lewis had defended against Byrd he would have rightfully faced criticism, much as Canelo will if he defends against Scull, one of his ABC mandatories. At least Scull is unbeaten, whereas as Byrd was proven as not the best fighter in the world, aside from Lewis, when Wlad so utterly dominated him.

    Here you and I are, 2 decades later, arguing who the #1 contender was. That suggests to me there wasn't an outstanding #1 contender, even if Sanders clearly deserved to be, by beating the #1 contender in Wlad.

    You're correct that Johnson certainly wasn't the number 1 contender. If Lewis signing to fight him constitutes a duck by your criteria, then as I said previously, fair enough, your criteria is your own.

    By that criteria, every single long reiging, multi defence, champion in boxing history ducked at some point.
     
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  4. Bokaj

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    Not every single one. Louis defended against his nr 1 every year, even though they seldom were outstanding. So did Walcott, Charles and Marciano. Patterson had some spots, which have been extensively covered here. Ali tried to in his first reign, but politics prevented him from it 1966 (he did sign with Terrell, but it was voided when the venue cancelled). After that it became a bit dodgy at times, yes.
     
  5. Greg Price99

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    Ah, so your criteria for constituting a duck is not defending against your #1 contender for a year?
     
  6. Bokaj

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    Yes.
     
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    What about if that #1 contender changes during the year?
     
  8. Bokaj

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    It's who's the nr.1 when you sign, if you only fight once. Machen was nr 1 when Patterson signed with Harris, so I think Patterson ducked him, even though Folley became nr 1 later in the year and then Ingo at the very end.
     
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  9. Greg Price99

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    Cheers Bokaj, I've enjoyed our discussion.

    No way did Lewis duck Byrd or anyone else when he fought Vitali in my eyes, and I suspect the majority agree.

    By your criteria he ducked someone, but i doubt it was Byrd.

    We agree Johnson would have been a poor, weak defence.
     
  10. Bokaj

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    Vitaly as a replacement saves a lot, yes. So in the end it was a very good year for Lewis to end his career.

    But when he vacated his WBC belt and signed with Johnson instead of Byrd, it was a duck imo. Wherever that leaves us.

    He ended on a a very good note with the win over Vitaly, though.