GOAT == Usyk

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lordlosh, May 18, 2024.


Who won after rewatching the fight

  1. Usyk

    93.3%
  2. Fury

    6.7%
  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    37.5 years old.
    1.90cm height
    197cm rreach
    220 pounds(223 with jeans, chains, etc, prolly even less than 220)

    Fury 35 years old
    206cm reach
    216cm reach
    262 pounds

    19 months difference in age in favor of Fury.
    16cm height advantage
    19cm reach advantage
    42 pounds weight advantage

    Usyk is way past his prime. In AJ 1-2 and he was throwing and moving a lot more. 700 punches +.

    Also Fury had everyone on his side. Turky, Judges, referee, big promoter that set up everything for him to win. And Usyk has done it.

    Usyk can lose 20 times in a row now, he is the GOAT !!!
     
  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't have him as the GOAT, but he is certainly the greatest fighter of his generation across all divisions. Had him as an ATG by the time he beat AJ the first time, now he is in the upper echelon. Tonight was a special night.
     
  3. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    For sure tonight he entered the top 10 ever.
     
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  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Let's see ?
    335-15 amateur record.
    Strandzha Cup(it's a big amateur tournament), European World Champion, World Champion, Olympic Champion !!!
    Undisputed at CW cleaning the hardest CW division there ever was. Beating every single one of his opponent on their backyard, and bar Marco Huck, every single one of them was in their PRIME.
    Coming late to the HW, struggling with injury.

    Usyk vs AJ was when Usyk was already 35 years old and out of his prime.
    AJ was in his absolutely PRIME. Bellew was in his absolutely PRIME.
    And this was the best Fury has ever looked, which was confirmed by everyone from Fury team and his fans, prior to the fight.

    And this is 37.5 years old Usyk.
    And he has done all of that away from home, and every time they are trying to robbing him, scoring fights way closer than they actually are.

    Not a single controversial WIN, not a single ONE.
    No one is even close to him.

    Ali at 36 lost to a f**** Leon Spinks.

    And have in mind Ali was fighting with similar sizes guys.

    Usyk is giving everything and 40+ pounds.
     
  5. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I love Usyk and he's definitely the greatest active fighter right now, but he isn't the GOAT - he doesn't have the body of work to compare, he hasn't been in as many legendary fights as e.g. Ali.
     
  6. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Hey Kiwi :), long time no talk. Hope you're doing well my man.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Hear me out. AJ fought a way better version of Usyk, and a lot younger as well.
    When you reach 33-34, every year count big time.
    AJ fought Usyk, when he was 34 in the first fight, and then 35 in the second.
    Completely different and fresher fighter.

    Usyk footwork was a lot faster, and his movement was miles better, and his hand speed and stamina million time better.

    Look at Dubois fight and this one, how much less punches Usyk is throwing, and he is moving way less, and looks way slower both with his hands and feets.

    Give me AJ - Fury, and AJ will do a job on Fury in 3 rounds.

    Usyk needs to retire. He's done it all.
     
  8. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Being a 2 weight undisputed is impressive. But when that second weight class is heavyweight it puts you into a different stratosphere. It’s the uncapped division. The division where you might have to slay a giant. Neither Crawford or Inoue have had to slay a giant. Usyk had to slay 2 of them. Legend.
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali fight guys his own size, and he was actually taller than most. Usyk is fighting guys 40+ pounds bigger. This is like moving in 5 weight classes, and give huge height, reach and weight advantage.

    Give this man his props.
     
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  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Yeah, but Ali had a lot more pro fights and my have had issues with Parkinsons. Let's not forget, we never saw Ali fight in his prime years. He could have done more. That being said, Ali did just fine with the years he had regardless. That's jut my 2 cents. I really can't be mad if someone calls Usyk the GOAT. He is an awesome fighter, no doubt.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Olympic gold medalist
    World Amateur Championships gold medalist
    European gold medalist

    Won all those gold medals on the road

    He was robbed in the 2008 Olympics against the eventual semi-finalist that year

    Undisputed CW champion

    WBC CW champion
    WBA CW champion
    IBF CW champion
    WBO CW champion

    Undisputed HW champion

    WBC HW champion
    WBA HW champion
    IBF HW champion
    WBO HW champion

    Ring magazine champion CW

    Ring magazine HW champion

    Undisputed CW champion in just 15 fights

    Undisputed HW champion in just 22 fights

    Surely the P4P#1 again

    Winner of the Muhammad Ali trophy

    Beat WBC champ and former WBA, IBF & WBO champ Tyson Fury (34-0-1) in Saudi

    WBA, IBF and WBO champ AJ (24-1) in England


    Beat former WBA, IBF and WBO AJ (24-2) in Saudi

    Bear WBA and IBF champ Gassiev (26-0) in Russia

    Beat WBC champ Briedis (23-0) in Latvia

    Beat WBO champ Glowacki (26-0) in Poland

    Beat former long reigning WBO champ Huck (40-4-1) in Germany

    Beat former WBC champ Bellew (30-2-1) in England

    Beat Daniel Dubois (19-1) in Poland (Usyk's only home or rather close to home fight since moving up to the world level in his 9th fight and only 'home' world title fight ever

    Beat Michael Hunter (12-0) in the US

    Beat Mchunu (17-2) on neutral soil

    Beat Chisora (32-9) in England

    https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1791976912551637345
     
  12. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Worse, it’s like fighting guys 5 weights above, while having to remain at your weight at the day of weigh in. It’s the Wild West division. Simply an incredible achievement. Truly David vs Goliath.
     
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  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I knew it, somebody would start the he's the greatest of all time bulls#@t . Happens all the time, he's simply the current best in a weak era.
    A VERY weak era.
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, but you have to count Usyk wins at Amateurs, and also semi-pro, at WSB, where he dominates every single man, and he was against HW.

    When did Ali fought giants like Fury and AJ, and essentially gives up 20cm. reach, 17cm. height, and 40 pounds in weight?
    When did that happen?

    And all of you forget that this ain't even close to prime Usyk. This is a washed up version of Usyk.
    Not even close to his best days.

    Hell he wasn't even in his prime in the first AJ fight.

    If you going to compare fighter, compare both of them at their prime, or at their respective years.

    Also Ali has some fights where he clearly lost, but was gifted.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Weak era my ***. This is one of the best HW era of all time.

    Full with top fighters and talent, and also monsters of size, power, chin, skills, all.
     
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