Knew it! Ali would have owned Tyson Fury! Modern day giant argument nonsense

Usyk is just that good.

 

I like Fury but if you look at that resume and think Fury is 100% proven your kidding yourself.

 

The gap toothed middleweight rabbit that was born from his mother made history tonight.

 

Yeah that's what I have always of thought. You can't alter human biology the human skull and brain can only withstand so much blunt force trauma and once you get to 200lbs plus you seem to get men who can KO pretty much anyone regardless of size.

David Haye being the only heavyweight to seriously hurt the giant Valuev, the only fighter too truly KO Chisora who has one of the most tested chins of his era as he's literally fought everyone and nobody could repeat that feat even with a way past prime Chisora.

Briedis KOing brutally KOing Charr despite being over 30lbs lighter.

If you are a big puncher at modern cruiserweight you will probably still be a big puncher at heavyweight now.

 

we know this to be assumption because back when the average man was far smaller, they thought 175 was the limit. Then it became 200lbs HW limit, and when super heavyweights were very rare like Valuev, they were shite relative to the normal HWs BUT they made up for their shiteness with their size. Had Valuev been Hayes size, he wouldn’t have been near a title.

now there are super heavyweights and the limit to be able to compete seems to be 220 on the low end now. If in 30 years the average heavyweight is 300lbs, there would likely be some very skilled bunch in that group and the minimum to compete would be 250lbs.

it’s very much like building a game character, 100 points in size and strength and 50 in skill, vs 100 skill and 50 in size. Given enough competitors, you may have a 100 in size and strength and 100 in skill, then the smaller guys are fked.

you can also see this in UFC history. Royce Gracie, a 160lber dominated mma and 250lbs+ fighters, cos they were largely crap. No 160lb would dominate ngannou sized fighters today.

the data confirms everything I say to be true. It’s basic rules of probability, the more you have of x, the higher likely of y to occur in it.

 

It could be said the same about Prime Tyson.

 

That is just not scientifically true. Nothing in human biology or physics would dictate that to be true.

if a 160lb with let’s say 100 skill faces a 200lb with 40/100 in skill, and a 200lb with 100/100 skill faces a 250lb with 40/100 in skill, the outcome would be near identical.

what you’re alluding to is an illusion created by the limited talent pool. Think of Jess Willard, big slow oak cos back then 220lbs guys were rare as fk. Now every 220lb is much more athletic. Same thing with valuev.

if you went back to 1950 you wouldn’t find any 250lber as athletic as Joshua. So they were beatable by LHWs, not today. Today the boxing SHW is still largely lacking in talent. You have explosive linebackers and nba players at 260+, if all of them chose boxing instead, you would need a much bigger man on average to compete.

evidenced by the fact that when skill levels are low, LW could beat HW, then MW beat HW, then 175, then 200 and now 220. Why do you think it keeps getting higher? Because the average HW is getting bigger and therefore more likely to have a skilled big man.

 

Mike Tyson? Mike was similar weight and size to the guys he was beating.

 

Was visibly shaken watching that puny cruiserweight, pummeling the 6ft 10 Fury brain dead in the 9th round. That was just too disturbing to watch. ...

 

the hell are you saying ? he beat fighters much taller than him and several were more heavy than him

 

I agree with you that bigger men are more skilled now than they were 70 years ago.

However, i don't think the average heavyweight will ever be 300 lbs.

Think of how tall you have to be in order to carry 300 lbs and actually have decent stamina. We are talking 12 round fights here. Look at Zhang and how he faded vs Parker at 291 lbs. You have to be at least 6 feet 8 inches tall just to carry that weight. Think how small a % of the population that is. And a lot of such tall people would either not compete in sports or would go into sports like basketball.

Are the days of the 190 lb heavyweights gone? Sure. You need to be a minimum of 210 lb to compete IMO, not 220.

I don't see heavies ever averaging 300 lbs. Its not possible for the human body to sustain a decent work rate with decent stamina.

I am enjoying our discussion btw. Its nice to be challenged and engage in a fun debate. I hope we can continue.

 

That wasn't the point, the value of pounds diminishes rapidly after 200 pounds, strength/power - body ratio becomes less relevant, it's why you have small heavyweights knocking out or hurting much bigger men throughout history or some taking their hits, but a lightweight isn't budging a light heavyweight, despite it also being 40 pound difference.

You could also argue Povetkin was cheated against Wlad. He was about 225lb and very well could have KO'd him if not for the illegal tactics

 

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Well Tyson Fury isn't 6'9 so he isn't 6 inches taller than Usyk.

But yep, Tyson Fury barely got past a 40 year old Wlad who wasn't throwing punches. Then Fury beat Wilder. A guy that nobody respects as a boxer. That is it for Fury.

Third Usyk isn't great. Lol Usyk barely by a ancient Derek Chisora for crying out loud. The same Chisora who got destroyed by David Haye.

Usyk is just lucky enough to be in such a weak era for heavyweights. I could imagine Usyk beating somebody like Leon Spinks to be honest never mind Usyk beating George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Riddick Bowe, Ali, Ken Norton or any other legit top heavyweight.

 

Remind me again who's the only fighter to stop Michael Spinks and Larry Holmes who had over 100 fights between them 30+ championship wins and are considered great fighters ?

Tyson also has over double the amount of wins over ranked Heavyweights than any Heavyweight in this era.

The fact you say Tyson resume sucks means you know nothing about Tyson and lack boxing knowledge.

Tyson's reign in the 80s is one of the most impressive Heavyweight title reigns in history.

 

Awful post log off.