Has Usky just demolished the myth of the modern superheavyweight?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Which fighters have given Usky a difficult fight and why?
     
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  2. Niels Probst

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    Easy to answer, because Rocky would lose.
     
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    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Ruiz with Joshua opened the way.
     
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  4. janitor

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    Everybody who didn't have him in their stable had a vested interest in him losing.
     
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    No way. Did you score it with pen and paper? Fury did nothing in first 3 rounds. That leaves only 5 rounds where Fury could score some points going into the 9th

    Fury was in charge after 6 rounds, but he gave away the first 3 in my view
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, but the judges did and, GOING IN TO the 8th, Fury was ahead on all three cards.

    This means, after 7 contested rounds, the judges had it 67-66 > 68-65 > 68-65, all for Fury.

    Incidentally, Usyk won Round-8 on all three cards. So, the scores were, at this point, 76-76 > 77-75 > 77-75 and, yes, Fury was leading going into the 9th, as well.

    The 9th round changed everything.
     
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  7. janitor

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    Incidentally the lineal title has been swapping hands between the UK and Ukraine since the turn of the century.

    Lewis
    Klitschko
    Fury
    Usky
     
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    janitor, May 19, 2024
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    The 9th round changed everything on those cards. But they are very bad cards.

    time will prove just how bad.

    Fury lost the last 4 rounds (and one was a 10-8 round) and he gave away the first 3.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think you could score a fight accurately if your life depended on it.
     
    Man_Machine, May 19, 2024
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    If my life depended on it? You are entitled to your opinion of course but I was an ABA official boxing judge for many years and legitimately scored thousands of bouts. Without complaint
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    No, hence the distinction in the post.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Some stuff.

    1) The sample size is tiny. It's one fight. If Fury wins the rematch, is that the myth of the guy who banished the myth of the superheavyweight banished?

    2) Usyk is big. He is around the size of George Foreman and Muhammad Ali. People already know that Muhammad Ali and and George Foreman have a good chance to beat Fury or Wlad.

    3) It should be obvious enough that a fighter who is nearly a superheavyweight (2" 15lbs short basically) who is brilliant would have good chances against a superheavyweight. Nobody thinks that former lightweight Ray Robinson "banished the myth of the middleweight" or that former light-flyweight Naoya Inoue "banished the myth of the super bantamweight". I never saw the thread asking if Manny Pacquiao had "ended the reign of the light-middleweight". Everyone just recognises they are brilliant.

    4) Usyk is briliant. He is the pound for pound number one and the best heavyweight in the world. I don't know if look to phenoms to establish baseline is wise.
     
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    I don't know but I would give Bivol good chance even knowing he is natural 180.
     
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  14. choklab

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    would Usyk make 223 in 1971? We don’t know what methods he used to build up to 223 that were compatible with 1971.
     
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    Nobody knows.
     
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