Has Usky just demolished the myth of the modern superheavyweight?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I will say yes just to hype the fight.

    I can always try to find somone to re banish it later.
    If Usky had fought in 1971 or 1940 he would not have weighed 223lbs.

    Whatever the significance of this, we have to factor it in.
     
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  2. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thousands of bouts counting clean hard punching alone doesn't tune your senses for judging Pro bouts - clearly.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am going to put my neck on the line and say no.

    Things changed a lot from Michael Spinks moving up onward.
     
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  4. Gog97675

    Gog97675 Member banned Full Member

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    Tyson Fury is 6'7 and so is Henry Akinwande. Tyson Fury is so quit that he frequently lands under 100 punches in 12 round fights right? Fury is so quit that he frequently lands under 30 percent of his punches or even under 20 percent of his punches right? Tyson Fury is in his mid 30's and still can't throw a straight punch to save his life. Fury constantly throws slapping arm punches. Akinwande was far superior to Fury. Akinwande just fought in a better era and fought better opponents.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This doesn't matter.

    Forget the 1970s. Forget the 1940s. In fact, I'll edit my post so that is gone.

    Usyk is Muhammad Ali/George Foreman sized. He's a mid-sized HW. He's not a small heavyweight. People who want to use Usyk's defeat of Fury to illustrate the likelyhood of Ali defeating Fury, that makes sense. But if you started an Ali-Fury poll on either general, classic or among the general public last Wendesday, Ali would have won it. There is no "myth" so far as great fighters of this size is concerned.

    Usyk is a great fighter of this size.

    Therefore, no, he doesn't banish any myths. And he certainly doesn't enhance the notion that someone like Marciano would be more likely to defeat Fury because Usyk is 30lbs bigger and 5" taller than Marcaino, approx.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    It doesn't matter even a little bit.
     
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  7. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I honestly thought he was taking the pish
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He might be!
     
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  9. janitor

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    For the avoidance of any doubt, I am not using this to suggest that someone the size of Dempsey or Marciano woudl be champion today.

    However when you get to fighters the size of Louis, or even someone like Walcott, they are probably big enough.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    That this serves as direct evidence that the 6'0 195lb Walcott could do it because the 223 6'3 Usyk did it, I think that's questionable myself. It would be better if a 6'1 210 fighter had turned the trick if that's what you're after because 30lbs and 3" is plenty. Even just from the perspective of recorded reach there is a 4" difference between Walcott and Usyk and to make some of the angles he needed to defeat Fury, Usyk had to risk everything at some points and still his victory was by a single point. 4" in reach, 30lbs in weight, 3" in height is a huge difference in a fight of these kind of margins. You'd have to convince me Usyk is quite a bit the lesser man to convince me (and I think Usyk is the better fighter).
     
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  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh my
     
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  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yow. Prime Lewis, Holyfield, 1992 Bowe...all respect, but I'm not too sure on that. All three hit harder than Fury, and were at least equal from a purely boxing standpoint as well imo.

    Fury got away with more than a little because of his smothering/size. He is a very great fighter, but he wasn't any of the guys mentioned above imo.

    Usyk got badly staggered by Fury. Those other guys would demolish him (and no, AJ ain't anywhere near the fighters I mentioned).

    What Usyk proved is that a super heavyweight who doesn't have a really significant punch (and somewhat suspect chin) can lose to an excellent boxer.

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong. No disrespect intended.
     
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  13. Pugilist_Spec

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    Ignoring the point about Walcott.
    But Usyk landed plenty of leather on Fury. If Joe Louis got off that many punches Fury would be KO'd 3 times over. Usyk is just lacking a bit of power at heavyweight.
     
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  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah - wins over "new breed of heavyweight" and "not a 12-round fighter" Joshua, and a slim points victory over a clearly past-prime Fury is perhaps a bit of a weak platform upon which to base such an idea.

    One might want to see Usyk in against a broader range of styles and abilities, from fighters in their prime, before hinting at that level of superiority.

    If anything, observations from last night indicate Lewis would have handled Usyk, comfortably.
     
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  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, this morning I had the pleasure of envisioning that...Lewis stops him in 10.

    Everyone please keep in mind, I have huge admiration for Usyk as a fighter. He's terrific.
     
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