Knew it! Ali would have owned Tyson Fury! Modern day giant argument nonsense

The Klitschko's, especially Wladamir, were able to get away with extremely rough tactics. Wlad would endlessly lean on smaller fighters, draining their energy, while conserving his. I doubt he would have been unbeaten for 10 years if he actually had to fight fair. I agree with the rest of your post.

 

100% I agree. I'd say Ali was faster because he clearly carried weight better, Usyk clearly isn't in his natural weight class at all, different body types I guess.

 

Usyks High guard, forward momentum combined with his lateral movement and slipping is a style tailored to fighting bigger guys. Usyks has always had more trouble with smaller fighters like Beterbiev/Hunter/Briedis than he has with larger fighters as HW was always his goal. Ali's style is more suited to fighting guys his size and smaller.

 

Commentators in the 70s called the era "weak".

Your rose tinted glasses are warping your view.

 

No. Usyk is on a different level to 'Ali' and an incredible outlier. Ali got beat up by Frazier, basically a LHW who was swatted around by Foreman like a child.

The size issue is not hard to understand, it's strange how few can accept it. If size didn't matter then the HW division wouldn't be dominated by SHW's for decades. Just look at it. Lewis, Klitschkos, then Wilder/Fury/AJ. How tall are they? All around 6'5+
Do people actually think that's a coincidence?

Small HW's should dominate just as much if SHW's don't hold a huge advantage. But that's not what happens.

Usyk is simply a massive exception to the rule. And even he avoided HW for a long time because he wasn't big enough to be confident of dominating like he did at cruiser.

Usyk did not make 'easy work' of AJ and Fury. They were huge challenges for him because of the size issue.

 

It just proves Usyk is good enough to overcome the size difference we don't know if other fighters would be able to

 

Out of Furys own mouth he struggles with smaller slippery fighters, how many of them aren't draining down to cruiser ?

Stop overrating this guy, Fury loses to several past atgs. Good fighter tho

 

I agree with you. Usyk is an absolute outlier who possess a very unique skill set. Size matters a lot and when you mix in skill you have the SHW dominance that you noted. Usyk has some real pop in his punches which is why no one has been able to ‘run through him’. He is also physically very strong as I have followed nearly his entire pro career and have never seen him staggered or put down, which is very impressive as he has fought big punchers in Chisora, AJ, DuBois, and to a lesser extent Fury. He’s a marvel and I’ll miss him when he retires.

 

Only to the ones that are almost his size or do you think a 180-190 Ib "heavyweight" will somehow beat him? Fury at his best is a H2H nightmare

 

Almost his size ? Dropped and outboxed by Cunningham the majority of the fight, Spectators say Opetaia made him struggle. Dropped by guys who aren't big punchers at all, etc and this is taking into account the somewhat thin resume. Very good fighter, but he's no more of a H2H nightmare than Riddick Bowe. Actually I think Bowe beats Fury with the constant jab and infighting like he did Jorge Gonzalez

Ali was 210-220lb, he's big enough to hurt Fury and fast enough to outbox him. We can never know, but resume is simply the most objective qualification for how good a boxer is even if the eye test tells a lot too.

 

Size can be a big advantage if you have the skillset/style to utilise that size but at the same a fighters small size can also be an advantage if you have the skillset/style to utilise that lack of size your advantage. That's the beauty of boxing, greatness comes in all shapes, sizes, attributes it's primarily a skill based sport and if you have the skills to limit your weaknesses, while maximising your strengths then you can achieve greatness.

Usyk's performances against Joshua and Fury proved size isn't everything and those advantages can be taken away. His agility/movement and head movement means he can be in range and still not be hit cleanly which is why Fury and Joshua both focused so much on body shots because landing on Usyk's head is so damn hard and by being elusive like that can make bigger fighters put too much weight on the front foot and fall forwards as they try and overreach to try and land which leaves them open to be countered as they give up some of their height and reach by doing so.

 

Not true, Golota finished Bowe. Video of Bowe’s speech before and after Golota underscored the damage Golota did to him.

 

Actually no I have balanced view and can see advantages and disadvantages in both eras.

You on the other hand calling 70s Heavyweights "a trash generation of HW boxers" literally speaks volumes about your opinion and agenda.

There was atleast 4 fighters in the 70s that are considered ATG Heavyweights Frazier, Holmes, Ali, Foreman, hence you calling that era "trash" makes you look foolish.

 

I was using Classicist logic against their golden generation. HW has always been weak, so the 70s being weak is not an aberration.