Why did the referee not stop the fight when Fury was out on his feet?

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Who deserved to win?

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  1. Tyson Fury

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  2. Olekandr Usyk

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  1. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    The ref stopped the action because Fury fell into the ropes. The ref did the correct thing. One can argue that the ref could have done that earlier in the barrage, but the last fall into the ropes was the worse and the ropes definitely held him up.

    Now, say for example the ref didn't stop the action and didn't give a count, and Fury survives. The fight goes on like it did, the fight would have ended in a draw.

    The other argument is that, the ref should have stopped the fight once Fury went into the ropes and couldn't protect himself. Now, that is a valid point. I'm not saying it shouldn't have been stopped, but I'm glad it wasn't. I couldn't stand to hear the Fury fanboys crying for the next 5 years and every time Usyk or Fury are brought up, some joker brings up the premature stoppage every time. Thank you ref, thank you!
     
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Bro be quiet. They try to rob Usyk, but they couldn't as the fight wasn't close at all.

    This was a shoot out for Usyk.

    Didn't you say Fury going to smash Usyk, what happen ?
     
  3. BoxingViewer

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    Jack Reiss who gave Fury the benefit of the doubt in the first Wilder fight was hailed as a genius for not calling it off. Fury is well known for his world class recovery skills, so I think that played a part in the mind of the referee.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    In the pocket of the referee. He was paid to do a job, and his done it.
    Wilder KD on Fury is nothing alike and not comparable at all, but what do i expect from fanatic Fury fanboy, who was spamming every thread how this would be Fury easiest fight ever.
    What happen, again?
     
  6. BoxingViewer

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    I said Fury needed to fight Usyk like he did against Cunningham and Wilder in the second fight. The tactics were wrong, but as shown Fury IS capable of outboxing Usyk, as one of the judges gave Fury the fight. Punch stats don't tell the full story of a fight. How effective are the punches? Do you like the punch variety? Are the punches fully connecting? Who is the aggressor? How well are the fighters slipping and ducking? These are just some examples. Judging a boxing contest is very subjective and complex.
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The ref didn't do a great job, there was some low blow that wasn't given as well, but calling him corrupt is harsh. There's just so much on the line which makes all but the best second guess themselves at times. And you have things like the controversy for Usyk against Dubois playing on his mind. He did warn Fury a couple of times tbf.

    I think he was right by the rules with the KD. I think they are that the fighter must be held up by the ropes and unable to defend himself for it to be ruled a KD. We'll see if he clarifies how he was thinking for that one.

    The WBC judge that had it for Fury could probably be called corrupt, though. Not saying he got a wad of cash before the fight, but he must have had a clear feeling for what interests he represented there.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't give a hot crap what one of the corrupt judge, surprise, surprise the WBC judge had Fury winning. That doesn't tell me anything.

    AI punch stats and fight details is pretty telling, my eyes as well.
    Your boy won exactly 2 rounds clean, 5 and 6. Then get his a** handled to him and should have been stopped.

    Scoring criteria is this: Clean punches, hard punches, Effective aggression, ring generalship, pressure, controlling the fight, better defense. All of this was on Usyk part.

    So go find some corner and continue crying.
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So you somehow don't find it strange, that he gave Fury 20 second count? And did you even watch the video?
    If he wanted to give Fury an standing count, something which is very, very rarely happening in the PRO ranks, he should have done it the first or second time Fury was hurt and fell to the ropes. He has done it, before Usyk finish Fury off, as his Left was ready to send him to the shadow realm. He was also pushing him on few occasion and interrupting his work.

    So his options were either call the 8th count when Fury first or second time hit the ropes, or WAVE the fight after that.

    What he did was make sure Fury would survive and saved him, then gives him 20 seconds count and was making sure he will survive the round.

    Sorry, but you can't do stuffs like that on your own, when there is clear rules.
    You may give one of the guys the benefit of the doubts, but you essentially are screwing the others.

    Also the same idiot referee called a clear the cut from Usyk to be open by a punch 2 rounds after the cut happen BY FURY HEADBUTT.

    So how you going to defend him over that? Mistake?
    Too many mistake in the wrong direction, h?

    As far as the judges goes, 2 of them was obvious corrupt. And they were Canadian and USA, not surprising at all ....
    Only the Spanish referee scored it somehow fine.
     
  10. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You were mocking us for days, so eat your humble pie now. Your boy was smashed to pieces.
     
  11. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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  12. BoxingViewer

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    That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Boxing is a subjective sport and what I mean by that is it's not black and white and if it was it wouldn't be called the sweet science.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    As I said, I think the rules are that you have to be defenceless and be held up by the ropes, and I can see why he picked that moment.

    Would have to rewatch the count to have a clear opinion about that one, but Douglas was given a long count when two of the judges were so corrupt that they either had a draw or Tyson winning. The ref in the Wilder fight also gave Fury a long count, with two of the judges being very biased towards Wilder.

    I hope the ref does a better job in a rematch, but I don't see this ref's performance on par with the judge that gave the fight to Fury.
     
  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No that's not my opinion. That's a fact.
    [url]https://x.com/jabbr_ai/status/1791989866546311328[/url]

    Good that AI starting to score fights and give details stats of it, so trolls like you to be put on their place.


    Here what Haye said, and he is 100% correct.
    You cannot give someone 20 seconds count, and literally refuse the award the KO to the other fighter.
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Haye is saying exactly what im saying:
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    Secondly again Fury was on the ropes MULTIPLE time. You either are giving him 8 standing count the first time or the second time he is felling on to the ropes or you are waving the fight.
    He waited till he see Fury is about to be executed and then he decide to give him the count, to safe him, also saving a lot of time for Fury.

    And sorry but the long count story is only with him, it's always with him. Cause they are buying the referees and the judges, and yeah im pointing at Queensberry obviously.
    He was given HUGE time to recover, and he was done. His hands were down, he couldn't bring them up, that was a stoppage 100%.

    8 standing count, he receive 20, boxing is a joke.