Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Tyson Luke Fury & Jai Opetaia vs. Mairis Briedis II - RBR.

CST80 · May 19, 2024

Babality said: ↑

Has Sanchez always looked like this? He looks ripped as hell.
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You did notice who his trainer was didn't you? He's probably had a Clenshake feeding tube inserted since they reunited back in April.

CST80 · May 19, 2024

JacK Rauber said: ↑

It feels like Sanchez is carrying this guy. No body shots at all when they are on the inside when Kabayel's body is completely exposed. I don't get it.
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He's ****ing garbage, like I've been saying he was for years. His best win was a green Ajagba. Other than that, PBC fed him an endless line of befuddled inept plodders who couldn't cut off the ring if their life depended on it, by design to flatter him greatly. This was always going to be the outcome the moment he faced someone who cuts the ring off well, with solid whiskers. Agit's pressure is relentless, his skillset profoundly underrated and his chin rock solid. Alongside Usyk, he's literally a nightmare opponent for Frank. He never had even a modicum of a chance at winning this match.

CST80 · May 19, 2024

SquaredCircle said: ↑

Makhmudov is somewhere getting PTSD flashbacks from these body punches.
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....violently twitching.

CST80 · May 19, 2024

Serge said: ↑

I told you long ago that Agit is the truth and that Kurdish-German Slickness ain't no joke. Domination. Beautiful skills, vicious body punching. Such a good fighter
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The Professor said: ↑

Sanchez was always horrible, gatekeeper level at best. Only a matter of time before he lost
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Wizbit1013 said: ↑

Told everyone Sanchez was hype
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Toney F*** U said: ↑

He’s always been garbage, I have no idea what people were seeing in him.
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MetalLicker said: ↑

Wow. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
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I did.

ellerbe · May 20, 2024

CST80 said: ↑

Thanks for at least acknowledging that he wasn't in form peak form against Francis. However, the mere fact that he finagled his way into almost 3 more months of training for the Usyk fight, and that was after he'd already trained for 3 months after his October fight with Ngannou, in my opinion really does highlight, just how out of shape he really was.

As far as the second part goes.... that's always been the problem with Fury though, throughout his form ebbs and flows to such an extent, that it's hard to truly quantify what his best is or isn't, or if he's capable of reaching those peak forms again. What I do know is, that he's only 35, that's 2 years younger than both Bud and Usyk, both of whom while maybe aren't what they were a few years ago, seem far from done at the top level. Also Heavyweights always have longer primes than your average fighter, because they don't have to worry as much about making weight, and putting their body through all of those stresses and struggles. So while it might seem Fury's time in the sun has passed, that was said about him before the first Wilder match, after the Wallin match, after Chisora, Whyte and Ngannou. The reality is, who knows.... maybe Fury fights for another 10 years, or maybe he gets brutally KO'd next time out and retires. But based on what we saw yesterday, that was far closer to the Fury we saw against Wilder than the version that fought Ngannou. Possibly an even better version. Think about it, in Wilder 2, he came out very fast, busted Wilder's ear early, totally ****ing his equilibrium up, therefore taking away his right hand, because he could no longer sit down on his punches, leaving him with a Wilder that was a wobbly hobbled sitting duck with no balance standing in front of him. So how sharp was that version of Fury? Most fighters do tend to look like a million bucks when they're in the ring with a compromised shell of a fighter. You know... like Bud and Spence.
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Fair point CST. Wanted to give this a proper read before responding.

I guess we ll never know. But in my opinion while this was still a dangerous Fury this wasn’t a peak Fury. I think his durability definitely dipped.

Regardless Usyks ability to adapt was insane. I thought it was over for Usyk. None of his punches seemed to do anything to Fury from the mid round stretch Fury dominated in and Fury was smashing his body. How he turned that around whether it was a lucky punch or not was insane.

Goran_ · May 20, 2024

For such a hot bed of amateur boxing you would think Cuba could produce a stand out HW at some point.. they always get found out.. Sanchez, Ortiz, Solis, Ribalta, Gomez, Gonzalez etc.. all fell flat on their arse

JacK Rauber · May 20, 2024

I'm not seeing the potential in Kabayel. Like Torres, he is a decent journeyman.

ellerbe · May 20, 2024

BoB Box said: ↑

Yea @Scotty Cork confirmed its a pic of Shania Twain. I really thought it was a picture of you though.
Anyway you both look alike of course you look a lot younger though.
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My guy BoB spitting game to the beautiful @Shay Sonya

gollumsluvslave · May 20, 2024

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Richie Woodhall does have it a draw, and indeed scored the 10th 10-10.
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The 10th was the 2nd clearest Usyk round behind the 9th! Wtf? Woodhall is usually more astute than that, must have let his bias get in the way!

gollumsluvslave · May 21, 2024

shadow111 said: ↑

What I would say to IB and others who scored it wide, namely 117-110, as it seems we have a handful of 117-110ers, is that, we've been here before, haven't we. We've seen this sort of thing before, and I can't say I'm surprised. We've been here before when we've had close fights argued to be much wider than the judges had it. i.e. Canelo GGG 1 & 2.

I'm not gonna sit here and rain on the parade of those who had it wide for Usyk, particularly those who boldly invisioned a Usyk victory beforehand and have been validated by the result, a result that I also came to as well, albeit by a much narrower margin. Credit to those that predicted a Usyk victory, we can differ on how wide we had it, but can agree on who deserved victory.

But I do think, particularly in IB's case, is that you're glossing over how close and how undeniably hard to score the first 3 rounds were, and with IB citing an erroneous 52% to 18% accuracy figure in an effort to justify the scoring of those rounds via an inaccurate statistic, whilst completely ignoring the near even total landed numbers, doesn't exactly instill confidence.

On the other hand, to score the first 3 rounds in favor of Usyk, I wouldn't conclude that is inherently unreasonable, but I do think having those rounds noted as "close" is an important distinction if you are so inclined to score them each to Usyk. To give the impression that each of the the first 3 rounds were "clear" Usyk rounds as IB's seems to be doing comes across as disingenuous and rather biased.

That's what I try to guard against, not the final score total so much, but rather how you got there, and showing how conflicted you were over hard to score rounds. I recognize that scoring close rounds can be subjective and multiple swing rounds can indeed turn a 1 point margin into a 7 point margin. But to give the impression that a observably close matchup was one-sided and easy to score, that's just not consistent with reality.

I would be able to relate better to your 117-110 had you made it clear, that yeah you had it wide, but darn there were multiple hard rounds to score that you gave to Usyk, but that you were conflicted over, then I could live with that. But lets not pretend that Fury wasn't having his way with Usyk or that Usyk wasn't in it deep at the midway point, lets not act like Usyk didn't have to pull a rabbit out of a hat over the final 6 rounds to turn the tide. And failure to recognize this in my view reduces the thrilling dramatic turnaround that we all witnessed that would only increase the respect that Usyk earned by the adjustments he made and the never say die fighting Spirit Usyk showed into a Ho-hom one-sided easy to score imaginary fantasy that simply didn't occur.
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Or, alternatively, we can speculate that the judges in both occasions had some bias or reason to push things in a certain direction...

The majority from what I have seen have the first 3 rounds to Usyk and the next 3 to Fury - and those were pretty easy rounds to score IMO, I feel some folks were suckered in by Fury's showboating.

I had 2 real 'swing' rounds that I had marked out as close and would have seen the other way being acceptable - round 3 I scored for Usyk, but Fury was starting to find his rythym. Round 7 I scored for Fury, but Usyk was starting to turn the tide and arguably sneaked it in the last 15 seconds.

Usyk Clear : 1,2,8,9,10,11,12
Fury Clear : 4,5,6
Swing : 3 & 7

That gives me range of scores between 117-110 (all swing rounds to Usyk) through to 115-112 (all swing rounds to Fury)

I've rewatched it and still can't see how folks are giving Fury round 1 or 2 and rounds 11 or 12? Whilst he did score in those rounds, Usyk blocked much of it, and Fury was on the backfoot throughout and Uysk score the cleaner shots and controlled the pace and the ring positioning.

Wizbit1013 · May 20, 2024

chacal said: ↑

No, he's not.

Sánchez just refused to box. He didnt even box bad, he just didnt box. He run, hugged and did stupid stufff, but he didnt box.
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That might be because he is crap

Max Thunder · May 20, 2024

Seeing the Gypsy King crumble in the corner looking like a defeated man was quite an iconic boxing moment. Never thought I'd see that.

Kinda reminded me of Mike Tyson grasping for his mouthpiece against Douglas.

UmarIFLUmar · May 20, 2024

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tinman · May 20, 2024

CST80 said: ↑

Yesterday I liked your post, because you were implying @UnleashtheFURY is always mad, well... because he is. Although honestly, I was so pumped up after the fight, I had no ****ing clue what you two were arguing about.

But after reading back over the conversation, I must say, I couldn't disagree more. Sure, I've thrown off on Tyson Fury quite a lot, and said he didn't have the skillset to hang with Usyk, which he didn't. Nor do I think Fury would stack up well H2H with much smaller guys if they were in the same division, put it this way, he benefits greatly from being a slick behemoth. That being said, relative to the skillsets of most of the current Heavyweights, Tyson Fury is head and shoulders about pretty much everyone not named Usyk. It's also pretty well know, that Fury is a fat lazy SOB, who buys into his own hype, who also tends to train to the level of his opponents, and when he doesn't think they pose a serious threat, he halfasses his preparations. He knew he could easily beat Schwarz, Pianeta, Serferi, Whyte and Chisora, in first gear with one hand tied behind his back. He clearly incorrectly assumed that he could do the same with Wallin and Ngannou, and because of his egomaniacal hubris, almost paid the price. Hell, that almost bit him in the ass in the third Wilder fight as well. Regardless, Wallin and Ngannou are both southpaws, which tends to give Fury stylistic problems to start with. So sure, the style issues was a small part of it, but clearly the lazy pisspoor preparations because his ego wouldn't allow him to think that a Swedish featherfist or an MMA guy even deserved to be in the ring with him, was the main reason he looked as bad as he did in those two fights.

Also, Ngannou might've shaded their fight by a round, and of course scoring the flash knockdown certainly helped. It was also a 10 Rounder, so less wiggle room on the scorecards. But Usyk not only bossed 9 out of 12 rounds, let's be honest, against any other opponent in the world, without the same pull, the 9th round would have ended in a TKO victory for him. Ngannou looked average against one of the worst versions of Fury we've ever seen. Usyk looked spectacular to beastly against an in shape, focused, much sharper and faster Fury, probably the best version we've seen since the second Wilder fight. Granted, I don't doubt for a second that Fury, being the sleazy weasel he is, intentionally staged getting cut, so it could buy himself a few more months of training, to get himself into the best shape possible. But still, at the end of the day, that con worked, he did get himself in great shape, and he showed up as ready as he could possibly get. So no need to denigrate Usyk's win like that, that wasn't the sloppy fat goon that fought Ngannou, that was a focused shaper as a tack Fury from the Wilder rematch. But even Fury at his best... wasn't enough.
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Watched it live. I was stone cold sober, but felt like I was on something. I felt like I was on a stimulant. I didn't even try to go to sleep afterwards because I knew I would be unable to. Ended up basically pulling an all-nighter. Not by choice.

CST80 · May 20, 2024

tinman said: ↑

Watched it live. I was stone cold sober, but felt like I was on something. I felt like I was on a stimulant. I didn't even try to go to sleep afterwards because I knew I would be unable to. Ended up basically pulling an all-nighter. Not by choice.
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Same... as always. But I had the exact same reaction, and that was me operating on about 2 hours of sleep. I couldn't sleep until after Berinchyk vs. Navarrete, I was buzzing so hard.

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