Usyk would beat Ali

Based on eye test Ali struggled with Cooper, Doug Jones and Norton ig he's not an ATG either. You look at a fighter at his best and at his best Fury has the skillset of an ATG and he looked close to his best vs Usyk it just wasn't enough to win because Usyk is better

 

You say this then don't have any evidence to prove it, Ken Norton vs Holmes was an even better fight than Fury vs Usyk. You see clearly on video. Whyte, Joyce, Zhang, etc they're all stiffs. Kabayel isn't even faster than Young, moves his head less

 

Cooper had way better fundamentals than Wilder, he was just stiff. Considering Henry Cooper gave Bugner a competitive fight while past it I don't even look down on it as much as you. You just say he looks better but Fury has looked like crap so many times in his career lol, far worse than Ali, you just give the modern guys the benefit of the doubt.

 

And too many people here give past fighters the benefit of the doubt. Cooper was also a light heavyweight he never weighed more then 200 Ibs

 

Ignore every other example shown in the thread. Fury almost dropped a decision to an mma fighter, looked like an ogre against Wilder, McDermott, Wallin, are we going to cherrypick

 

Cooper fought Bugner while past it and arguably won. Bugner gave Bruno a competitive fight. Ali has taken hits from much larger punchers than Cooper if you're so worried, Fury gets dropped every other day

 

I’ve ignored nothing, you’ve failed to identify any fight where Ali had overcome a height/reach and size advantage, let alone in combination with the skill/slickness Fury has.

Fury is known to fight down to the level of his opponent. It was also pretty clear he thought he could just go in there and spark out Ngannou.

And the Fury we saw last night looked good actually

You talk about recency bias but fail acknowledge your raging hard on for historic fighters (Lennox Lewis for example, and now Ali)

 

Really Markus? Is that why so many here still worship HWs from 2+ generations ago and think they'd be competitive vs. modern HWs??

Usyk very likely defeats Ali - the slimmer/faster pre ban and heavier/slower post ban Ali. Light CW Cooper decked the super fast 1963 Ali. He gets tagged like that by a modern HW and its much more than a 10 count
By today's standards Ali went life & death w/small swarmer Frazier & smallish, chinny boxer-puncher Norton 3X each. I, and many other astute boxing analysts, think Ali never truly defeated Norton. At 37 Ali was a shell of what he was, while Usyk is much better in comparison. Many modern HWs would beat Ali.

Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, etc. also lose to 90s & later HWs (if not to top 70s-80s ones). Size isn't everything, but it's a lot, especially with near equal skill sets. There's weight classes for a reason. The styles make fights idea is being overplayed. It matters between near equal size-skill fighters. The CW to small HWs of the past would not be competitive vs. recent era HWs.

The truth offends many ppl because they're inhaling nostalgia fumes (along w/national & racial ones). Many sports fans do - doesn't make them right.

 

I don't really rank Bugner very high he lost to every good fighter he faced

 

Ali had to overcome a 4 inch disadvantage against Terrell, Bugner, Liston. 2 of them were taller. So where have I failed to identify such ? Please debunk me on this

 

LOL - Ernie Terrell…. You shouldn’t look to suggest others have recency bias

Joe Bugner.. are you having a laugh? How is having a one inch reach advantage over Ali even remotely comparable to Fury’s height reach and size advantage over Usyk.

These examples are showing you’re very desperate to defend Ali

 

I would give Frazier and Norton a good chance at beating Usyk though. Frazier is a favorite to many, Usyk probably beats Norton. Usyk shells up when he's pushed to the ropes, so how does Frazier not tee off on the body ? Alis power was compared to Holyfield. I don't see Usyk knocking him out, he'd be relentless unlike Chisora and Briedis.

Ali got tagged by several powerpunchers who hit harder than Cooper but they couldn't drop Ali.

 

This is a Nothing Burger, they had a significant reach advantage and fougth Ali on the front and backfoot outside of Liston. Bungers reach was as long as Joshuas, Probably Terrells too. Thinking Usyk wins is fine, but the blatant lying is tiring

 

Is Usyk Slower? Ali was noticeably slower post jail and Usyk was much, much faster when he was under 30 than he is now. They were both very quick and slowed down at similar ages.