GOAT == Usyk

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lordlosh, May 18, 2024.

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Who won after rewatching the fight

  1. Usyk

    93.3%
  2. Fury

    6.7%
  1. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    I used a click counter to score punches kind of like they used to in the amateurs... and I had 10-2. I've suspected CST80 uses the same method because I've had similar scores to him ever since I started using the click counters

    But that doesnt tell the whole story, for example who lands harder shots, power punches vs jabs ect... A jab to the body and an uppercut to the face both count as 1 but the uppercut ofcourse is gonna be more damaging.

    All that considered I had it 8-4, 8-3 with the knockdown. Commentary was biased as hell, and compubox was a krock of sh*t
     
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  2. boxingexpert733

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    fury won 5 or 6 rounds
     
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    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very similar except I had
    round 3 to Usyk; Fury started to find his rythym, but not enough to win the round
    and gave round 7 to Fury, although Usyk deffo turned things around in the last half and may have done enough to nick it - but those essentially cancel out for the same score 116-111:-

    1,2,3 (close),8,9,10,11,12 Usyk
    4,5,6,7 (close) Fury

    I try to alternate on close rounds to avoid bias / so whilst Usyk probably swung 7, I gave to Fury because Usyk got the close round 3 already
     
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  4. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shouting out himself...
     
  5. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    I do think that Fury's lifestyle ( and also very much his mental health issues) has not only shortened his peak potential, but it's also stopped him possibly hitting his highest possible career peak he could've actually achieved. I've always, always thought this, that he had the potential for more....

    He already had the 'natural boxing ability' that you have to have been born with, which can't be taught, to reach elite fighter status. The unique natural talent needed.. You've either got this or you haven't.

    If you could rewind the clock to his late teens and have him live the life of say a Usyk, free him of his bi-polar (?), AND he was hugely personally driven, tunnel vision-wise to absolutely live the life and be the best he could ever possibly be, then that possible version of Fury really would have been something special I think...

    Both Usyk and Fury were both naturally dealt very good hands (styles-wise totally different though, one was text book orthodox, one not) to play in their careers.

    One fighter utilised his dealt hand almost to perfection, the other didn't....suffice to say then, effort defo equals success..
     
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  6. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pythagoras' voice,
    Triangles for geometry,
    Not for foresight's choice.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Dream of it. Your boy had a broken nose, and was beaten from pillar to post, and Usyk jaw is fine. It was infected tooth implant, nice try though.
    This wasn't close fight at all. And by middle round, you mean Round 5 and 6, and this aren't middle rounds.
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Muahahahahhahaha, based on what? Your dreams?
     
  9. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    lol…nice joke…You’re not smarter than AI dude…
     
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    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Hasn't score it seconds by seconds, but i gave it to Usyk, based on that he was the effective aggressor, putting Fury under the pressure + Fury was constantly on the back foot and the ropes.
    Usyk to me also landed the harder cleaner shot as well, on top of outlanding Fury in almost every round.
    I guess people see what they wanna see, but when everything number wise, and i mean everything with all kind of different criteria like landed punches, impactful punches, aggression, pressure, forcing your opponent to fight your fight, etc, then it's clear who the winner is, and who edges the rounds.

    But purely based on the AI scoring: Usyk clearly won the 12th.
     
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  11. tragedy

    tragedy Active Member Full Member

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    I believe punch counters picked up Fury's pawing jabs more often than Usyk's stabbing jab. Technically its not wrong to count up all the pawing, but Usyk's jab was a more quality jab he was stepping in and getting his shoulder into it more. The AI did factor that in interestingly. The AI registered Usyk's punches as having a higher impact than Fury's in every round except 2.
     
  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Firstly i don't see a reason fur Usyk to rematch Fury, other than money, and this ain't his motivation, and he already have more than enough.

    Second he would have exactly zero motivation for that fight, as he already won the Undisputed and beating Fury. What's the point ?

    Thirdly He will be strip and this won't even be an Undisputed defense.

    Fourthly they try to rob him hard for quite some time, scoring 10-2, 9-3, worst case scenario 8-4 type of fights a very narrow SD to him with 2-1 judges. Referee doing all he can to help his opponents as well.

    Fifthly he have everything to lose, and nothing to gain

    Literally no reason for him to took that fight. Best decision - f*** of Fury's and retire.
    Tell Fury to give Klitschko the rematch he still owes him, and Happy New Year and Adios.

    And my reasoning for why Fury doesn't deserve the rematch, and should never get a one is this:

    Literally conned the public for years. Ducked every decent opponent, and fighting useless fights like Chisora and Ngannou.

    Not just ducked Klitschko rematch, but conned him and the whole boxing audience that he will took the fight. He and his uncle promise they will fight Klitschko, and he wasted Klitschko year and a half of his career, which was already close to an end.

    Wasting year of AJ career messing around, without ever wanting to fight him.

    Wasting almost 2 year of Usyk career messing around and lying and trying to put the blame on Usyk team. He was also extremely disrespectful to Usyk and his team doing so, acting like he is some kind of Royal family. Also clearly trying to age Usyk out, wasting his last good years.

    Planning to duck AJ once again, and will never fight him. And if by a miracle he win, obviously by a blatant corruption, as he can't win fair and square, he will claim he won the first fight and was robbed, and will retire, instead of going for a trilogy fight. Won't fight AJ as well, and this is the fight people should force to be made, not Usyk - Fury 2, as we already seen Usyk kick his *** and stopping him in the 9th. round with referee robbed Usyk, and judges doing mental gymnastics to rob him on the cards.
     
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Of course he will gain something from it. If he wins, he will end up greater. What did he gave to gain from the second AJ fight other than a boost in legacy ? Same thing applies here. It's risky, but the award would be even sweeter shall he succeed.
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    According to this guy Usyk won so easily, 10-2, but is terrified of a rematch and is urging him to duck.
     
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  15. I Dont Play With Dolls

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    Well personally I only count punches where I think more than 50% of the glove landed on the face or body, and punches thrown with more than 50% power... pawing jabs I dont count , neither pity pat punches on the inside ect