Fundora to vacate for the Spence fight. Is it justified?

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  1. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think you are following the timeline or you are choosing to push passed certain facts to justify the present.

    Crawford's original target at 154lbs was Charlo. Charlo was stripped of the WBO upon his fight vs Canelo. Then he went on a hiatus. Tim Tszyu gained the WBO in the process becoming Crawford's target had Spence not activated his manditory, which he did thus holding Crawford in a legal binding contract to face him at either 147 or 154 (it was never specified). Because of this, the IBF used it as an excuse to strip Crawford of his IBF title at 147lbs just 6 weeks after he won it in the ring. Spence eventually backed out of his rematch due to injury/surgery, thus making Tim the primary target for Crawford. Thurman ended up getting the fight. Thus Crawford officially made himself the mandatory for the WBO so that he could face Tim after the bout being that the Thurman fight wasn't a title bout because it was at a catch weight. Thurman gets injured. Fundora, who already had a title scheduled on that same card I believe, paid his opponent step aside money and took the Tim fight. Fundora ends up winning the fight eventually, thus making Crawford his new mandatory for the WBO.

    Everything I stated is factual and can be found via the timeline. No opinions. So if you are going to hold this conversation with me, you should do the same, keep emotions out of it and try your hardest to utilize the comprehension skills. NO WHERE did you see me stated that Fondora faked an injury. I highlighted the fact that his camp themselves stated that he wasn't going to be available due to the injury until NOVEMBER. Yet, once Tim, whom they claimed they was going to honor an imaginary rematch clause, and Crawford who was the mandatory have both solidified their next fight during the wait, now, Fondora is available to fight in October vs Spence whom he was leaning towards negotiating with before the WBO expressed that they would strip him if he chose to go the opposite route from his mandatory.

    Crawford didn't CHOOSE Saudi money.... They stepped in because Crawford's options got slim with all 5 of his targets for 2024 being unavailable, even if temporary.
    -Canelo, had a fight and looking to go a different route.
    -Charlo, on a hiatus
    -Spence out due to surgery
    -Tim unavailable after losing and injury during the fight
    -Fondora unavailable til November due to injury during fight.

    Saudi stepped in and offered an opportunity for Crawford to still be active and fight for a title vs Madrimov. Stop trying to twist the facts and create a narrative. Each of these fighters deserve for fans to stop trying to bash their hard work. Especially one who is as accomplished as Crawford. Fondora went from unavailable til November to being available in October a week after both opponents who he was supposed to be facing officially announced a fight during his unavailability. And he's fighting the man that seemed more lucrative thus he was more interested in negotiating with him immediately following his win over Tim. You want to ignore all facts to push an agenda? Why? If that isn't ducking, then what is it.... He's supposed to be fighting either CRAWFORD or TSZYU.....Why is Spence getting the fight in October when he told the rest of us that he wasn't going to be available until November when all were pushing for the Crawford or Tszyu fight?

    Stick to the facts.

    Notice I didn't even address you comment on Vergil Ortiz Jr.
     
  2. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    They didn't have a rematch clause in the contract. Morally Fondora should have just gave him a rematch
     
  3. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    Good job being useless in the conversation. Now go somewhere and count something.
     
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  4. The one

    The one Member Full Member

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    Made my day lol.
     
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  5. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    Starting to see more and more individuals in life who are simply useless, but for some reason they beg for attention in situations they claim doesn't interest them.
     
  6. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Fundora is goin for whoever pays him the most. I don't blame him. I think Fundora and team knows his time is limited as champ. If Crawford and team are willing to give him a big payday I'm sure he would accommodate.
     
  7. diazsh

    diazsh New Member Full Member

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    You laid out a detailed timeline, which I appreciate. Here’s a summary:

    1. Crawford initially targeted Charlo at 154lbs.
    2. Charlo was stripped of the WBO title and went on hiatus, leading to Tim Tszyu gaining the WBO title.
    3. Spence activated his mandatory, binding Crawford to face him at 147 or 154lbs.
    4. IBF stripped Crawford of his 147lbs title soon after he won it.
    5. Spence withdrew due to injury, making Tszyu Crawford's primary target.
    6. Thurman got the fight, but it wasn’t a title bout, so Crawford became the mandatory for the WBO to face Tszyu.
    7. Thurman got injured, and Fundora stepped in, paying step aside money.
    8. Fundora won, making Crawford his mandatory.
    9. Fundora's camp claimed he was unavailable until November, but he ended up fighting Spence in October.

    Crawford didn’t choose Saudi money by preference; it became an option due to the unavailability of his top targets.

    Crawford’s professionalism and achievements deserve respect, and it's crucial to stick to the facts without twisting narratives.
     
  8. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Is that so? What's this then?
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    Tim's side said they had a rematch clause yet they clearly did not use it because they wanted to pursue other options like the Vergil fight they were offered by the Saudis.
     
  9. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Bud was offered the Madrimov fight before Tszyu and Fundora had even fought. There were rumours about the Saudis trying to arrange a Bud-Marimov fight before the Madrimov-Kurbanov fight had even happened on the AJ-Ngannou card, 3 weeks prior to the Tszyu-Fundora fight (back when it was still being billed as Thurman-Tszyu), so stop with the Bud's professionalism thing, he chose the Madrimov fight before the Spence fight was even announced. Bud chose the money, he chose the most lucrative option because he's a prizefighter.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No, all things considered it isn't justified.

    Fundora should be facing Zoo, Mendoza or unifying.

    A win over Spence means nothing.
     
  11. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    Cliff notes....lol. I should employ you to help the many on this site who complain about reading....lol.

    One minor correction.....#9....they haven't fought yet. The fight is allegedly set for October.
     
  12. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    That's cute. You found a video AFTER THE FIGHT when the rumors of a rematch clause was present. Before the bout, the conversation was different.

    When the fight was first officially announced, multiple reports asked about a rematch clause to both parties while touching on both fighters preparing for different opponents due to the Thurman injury. Neither camp expressed that a rematch clause was in the contract. Actually, Team Tszyu brushed off the conversation and pushed the notion that Crawford was in their crosshairs. Tim's camp fully expected to walk through Fondora and move on to the next big fight. They were over confident even with a huge gash on their fighters head preventing his vision. They paid for it when they didn't have to. Calling the fight during the first 3 times they were asked, the fight would have been a no contest and Tim is still a champ today. Instead, they continued, lost, now trying to paint a picture that they are owe a rematch because of a clause they know wasn't in the cards before hand.

    Go ahead and find me a video before the fight in which the "rematch" conversation was pushed by them like in this video here.

    Vergil wasn't even in the picture until after the fact. You won't find a single article, video, etc connecting Vergil to Tim before it was clear that Fondora was don't to wait til November...........

    Nice try though.
     
  13. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    It's not up to Crawford and his team as they are not the promoters. Crawford being a free agent is working with others who set the amount they will invest in a fight involving him and a formidable opponent. They are currently trying to get him a fight with Canelo. I highly doubt that Fondora is as appealing to them as Canelo or even a Jaron Ennis, who was also mentioned as an option for Crawford going forward. If I'm not mistaken, Fondora is signed to PBC. Al Haymon and crew are the ones who set the value on Fondora. Not Crawford.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    He didn't get lucky thats an excuse.. You're acting as if fundora is a bum he isn't. Spence is the bigger money fight so I don't blame him for taking it over a guy he just beat in timmy. Spence isn't an easier opponent and is the better and more proven fighter over timmy.
     
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  15. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    It is up to them. They signed with the promotion company. Crawford can take a smaller cut to make it happen. Other boxers have.

    Edit: I want to add that Crawford himself is doing the exact same thing, maximizing his money by trying to fight Canelo. Where he is going to get his ask knocked out.
     
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