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Beating Charles the number one contender wasn't a big fight?
Please provide a source that says Charles over trained for the Valdes fight.

 

But did he become a champion or his best win was lucky fight with Charles?
Someone who was beaten by Bob Satterfield and Mitteff can not be considered good contender.

 

Bob Satterfield was underrated trial horse. One of the hardest hitters to ever step in the ring. Knocked out Cleveland Williams and Harold Johnson. Beat a lot of good men. Oddly he beat Nino on points. Nino was inconsistent as were many at the time. In my opinion contenders didn’t avoid much at the time like now and many took a lot of Ls because of it. Satterfield and Nino fought anyone anytime even if they were inconsistent

 

Valdes beat;
Neuhaus no8
Cockell no5
Bethea no8
DeJohn no8x2
McMurtry no5
London no8
That = a good contender.
He also beat;
Summerlin
Holman
Carter
Erskine
Richardson
Jackson
Sys



Valdes was ranked
1 in 53
1 in 54
6 in55
6 in57
2 in 58
That's ranked in the top ten in those 5 years.
Satterfield was ranked
9 in 58
10 in59
8 in 60
Miteff was ranked
9 in57
10 in 59
6 in56
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Satterfield was beaten by MW Jake LaMotta and Mittef had more losses than wins, someone like that can not be considered worthy opponent let alone good contender.

 

Satterfield was one trick pony with a big punch but with stamina and chin of 100 years old man.
The man was beaten by Jake LaMotta for Christ sake.

 

Satterfield had 16 fights when he fought the vastly more experienced Lamotta and he was a 22 years old middleweight weighing164lbs when he faced Jake who was 167lbs.


Miteff was top ten ranked in 3 years.His record is 25-13-1 ,
He lost 13 times but those that beat him were
Ali
Chuvalo
Cleroux
Williams
DeJohn
Machen
Cooper
Hunter x2
Besmanoff
Folley
Quarry
He also beat
Valdes
Holman
Mederos
Besmanoff
And drew with Chuvalo
You can't get a single thing right can you! lol

 

Satterfield was top ten ranked in3 years.
Among those he beat are;
King
Mederos
Summerlin
Marshall
Daniels
Williams
Johnson
Barone
Smith
Gomez
Holman
Oma
Baker
Valdes
I've already destroyed the Lamotta argument.

You're out of your depth here,you should return to the paddling pool!

 

But he was still natural LHW and twice bigger than LaMotta in terms of size.

He lost every big fight, losing every secons fight.

 

Nope ,he was a 22 years old middleweight who had fought 16times,Lamotta was 3lbs heavier and had 72 fights under his belt .
Every statement you have made on this thread I have disproved,when you are in a hole you should stop digging!

 

Still he's a big LHW and LaMotta is small MW and LaMotta still beat him like a drum.
A loss is a loss and LaMotta beat him lik a drum.

 

FFS! HE WAS 3lbs LIGHTER THAN LAMOTTA!
Lamotta didnt beat him like a drum he was in trouble early in the fight.

Satterfield held LaMotta on even terms in the early rounds, having his best moment in the 4th round, when he "shook LaMotta to his heels" with a right hand"
Lamotta was never a small middleweight,he tortured himself to make the weight, he was up and down the divisions,often fighting in at Lhvy,today he would be a super middle.
You really don't know a Goddamn thing about boxing do you!

 

He knocked him out, isn't that beating?

He's small compared to Monzon or Gerard McLelan, he was undersized MW and Satterfield was full size LHW.

 

No! You can knock someone out with a single punch that doesn't mean they have sustained a beating.

LAMOTTA WAS ALWAYS A BIG MIDDLE WEIGHT FFS CHECK HIS RECORD ON BOX REC!

SATTERFIELD WAS 163lbs FOR THAT FIGHT! CAN YOU NOT GRASP THAT?

What planet are you on?

 

Yeah right, Tyson didn't beat the shiet out of Spinks.

He was fat like Duran but was never considered big MW.