Where does Usyk's win over Fury rate amongst other big significant wins at Heavyweight ?

It's huge.

He didn't quite beat the best Fury for a few reasons but nobody else has done it.
Yes, Fury's 'best form' is often elusive but I say he didn't beat the best because Fury now has a terrible trainer, a confused style and likely some concussive damage coming into the fight.
Sure, you can blame Fury for all of that, given he made the training change, he made the circus fight etc., but still, Fury had some problems Usyk didn't have in this regard and it hampered him. Fury's handlers are utter clowns.

As for Fury being beaten before, the fact is if you're talking about McDerm, Wallin, Fury might have been fortunate in those outcomes but he was obviously better than both, having easily beaten McDerm in the rematch and clearly beat Wallin in every way except for the cut. The complaints about Cunningham/Wilder are just sour grapes. He didn't get KO'd in Wilder I and he hurt Cunningham badly before the elbow cocking set-up and would have got the KO ultimately anyway.
In other words, the outcomes reflected the superior fighter, so nobody should care.
It's the same with the Usyk/Dubious fight.

The weird thing is people who like Usyk also want to diminish Fury and pretend the fight was easy because Fury is a bum, which of course downgrades Usyk. I saw Usyk's face again yesterday on a video still and I've never seen it that beat up. Fury was easily one of his toughest fights, if not the toughest.

 

as a casual: it's pretty ****ing big

 

USKY was already a legend before fighting fury.

he’s now a great.

 

Usyk vs Fury was the most significant heavyweight fight of the last 20 years (arguably the previous one of similar signifance was Lewis v Klitschko or Lewis vs Tyson, but one could even make an argument that Lewis vs. Holyfield was the one of similar magnitude). This fact alone makes this fight a top 15 in heavyweight history, in terms of importance, whether you like the participants or not.

 

Means nothing, as Fury already lost to Ngannou
Fury is obviously rubbish according to many so not a great win really

Obviously the above isn't my own opinion. For me it's extremely significant, as I rate Fury extremely high

But you can't have Fury as rubbish on one hand, yet use him to elevate usyk with the other

 

Exactly. Imo, Fury looked very good, quick hands, varied punches, looking slick.

 

Ironically, other (fun) similarities are, both Ali and Fury were both larger than life colourful characters as opposed to both Usyk and Frazier being the polar opposite in being modest and grounded characters.

AND both the loud ones happened to lose first time out too.

 

It's historically more important as it determined an undisputed HW champ for the first time in 25 years, and it made Usyk the only ( if I'm correct) undisputed CW and HW champ in history. Plus it had huge worldwide implications with the was in Ukraine ongoing. Ali-Frazier I was a US only fight although it also was for undisputed champ.

IMO the only more important HW bouts were Louis Schmeling II and Johnson's win for the title.

And besides it was a great fight.

 

We get it, you despise Usyk. But at least make an attempt at a logical post, even if it causes you mental anguish.

 

It depends where you rank Fury. If he is a fraud, a win over him, can't be that big.

That's the problem with the fanboys, they want to discredit Fury, but also want to give huge credit to Usyk, for beating him.

 

Usyk beat the best Fury that's fought in years. Fury got himself into great shape and looked very sharp, at least for a while.

As far as the challenges Fury faced, those are just lame excuses.

Fury had the advantages here as he is the natural HW. He's the bigger, young fighter with the much longer reach.

Usyk is the smaller guy. A natural CW who challenged himself moving into a division not natural to him.

On paper, Fury should win this fight easily.

When it came down to it, Usyk rose to the moment and Fury fell short.

Great champions rise to the moment, overcome obstacles and find a way to win. Others make excuses.

 

I don't despise usyk, I like him
But you can't have Fury as useless, then big him up to elevate usyk

Do I think usyk is p4p great? Yes, but the era is **** at hw and he's overrated. Lomachenko and 3g also are overrated on this forum,but at least usyk is well above them

Fury is a fat lump who was 10 Stone overweight not too long ago, with years out of the ring

Aj, for all his physical tools, is a stiff robot that lost his bottle post Ruiz

These are his best wins. Hardly the stuff of legend, but because he is smaller he does get some credit from me

To conclude, great p4p but the jury is out for HW. The era sucks balls

 

My sentiments exactly
If Fury is an overrated fraud? Then why did he leave usyk looking like he went 15 rounds with George Foreman?

Can't have it both ways

 

We live in a weird era where when I guy loses, he's automatically a fraud and a bum. A guy wins, especially by KO and he's the second coming.

Manny Steward predicted Fury would become a champion when Fury was a teenager. He saw the talent in Fury early on and Manny clearly knew his business.

Fury is a very good boxer. He's been fighting since he's a kid and had good skills, ring IQ, speed and agility for his size.

He also has heart, and has walked through fire in his tougher bouts.

He sometime seems a little indifferent when fighting guys that are not at his level, but he seems to get up for the big fights.

Usyk was just a little better. Usyk accomplished something extraordinary being a natural CW, moving to HW and beating the two best guys in the division.

Fury clearly had talent and heart. Usyk has those things too.

Usyk just rose to the occasion and Fury couldn't quite do it.