Zhāng Zhìlěi vs. Deontay Leshun Wilder & Daniel Raphael Dubois vs. Filip Hrgović - Round by Round.

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  1. RGBoxing

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  2. RGBoxing

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    Many fighter would of won a title if they was given the same path as Wilder so I stand by my point he never overachieved from a boxing point of view was found out everything he stepped up

    He done extremely well with the money he made and congratulations to him for that but he never beat anyone he was not supposed to so from a sporting point he never overachieved he was always fed fighters he was almost certain he could beat and this was the only reason he was given the Fury fight his team was thinking it would be a easy win against a past it Fury that's the only reason the fight was made nothing you can say will convince me otherwise and if you are honest with yourself you know this is true
     
  3. JMotrain

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    I'm one of the biggest Wilder critics but he definitely overachieved. The competent trainer he fired, Mark Breland, said he was at the same level as Wilder skill-wise when he was 9 years old. Breland was a great amateur and good pro. Wilders resume isn't good, and I never said it was. But he still beat a bunch of professional boxers while being extremely limited. He nearly KO'd the guy who every think is some H2H monster in Tyson Fury. Wilder also won a Bronze Medal with almost no amateur background.

    Wilder got further than he should have given he made a ton of fundamental mistakes but had an eraser of a right hand. He also had athleticism and heart. So, I stand by my statement, I don't think he is some HOF or anything like that.
     
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  4. RGBoxing

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    Tell me one fighter Wilder beat that he was not meant to beat and I will agree with you but the truth is he never did.
    Beating fighters you are supposed to beat is not overachieving Wilder achieved exactly what he was supposed to that is why he was matched the he was he only had fights he was going to win until a past it and fat Fury was ripe for the taking and put a spanner in the works.

    Fisrt Fury fight is not a good measuring stick as Fury was far from his best

    Now I didn't say he never done well he is set for life if he is smart and good luck too him
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

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    I agree. There's no way this Wilder, beats even the Ortiz of the second fight, or does nearly as well against Fury.
     
  6. humbug

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    Information is only ones mind can go off.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

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    Just rewatched the fight and Wilder is even worse than I remember, and more critically his right hand just lacks the power he used to generate effortlessly.
     
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  8. humbug

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    Let’s talk about Dubois.
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

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    I unfortunately wasn't able to watch the fight in it's entirety, but I thought Hrgovic was gonna win. He also won the first two rounds, so I assumed it was only a matter of time.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

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    That was the first thing apparent to me. As well as how off his equilibrium was despite not being hit.
     
  11. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I always said, Wilder is the most overrated boxer of all time.

    Stepped up against 3 proven world level boxers his whole career in Fury, Parker and Zhang and got exposed each time.

    It was scandalous that both Fury and Wilder promoters at the time of their fights hyped in up as the 2 best HWs.

    I was very impressed with Dubois. Came in looking leaner, looking lighter on his feet and fitter than I've ever seen before.

    It will be interesting who AJ fights next out any of Parker, Zhang, Dubois and Kayabel who are all great opponents.

    I expect it to be:

    AJ vs Dubois
    Parker vs Zhang rematch
     
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  12. Serge

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    Usyk wasn't a Brit by birth but we have subsequently adopted him as an honorary Brit. I thought this was common knowledge as it's not like it's a recent thing.

    I was actually alluding to if someone needed to assemble a team that wouldn't let them down they should stack it with Brits.

    Just to ensure we're not getting our wires crossed here. You're not actually disputing the fact that Brits are the fiercest and toughest warriors in the world are you?
     
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  13. Komaster

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    Usyk is as British as Yorkshire pudding at this point. He's spent so much time there. He probably knows where all the best Gregg's are in London.
     
  14. humbug

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    I thought Wilder was going to win against Zhang because of the information I received.

    I was told Wilder had a broken hand going in against Parker hence the reason I thought Wilder would KO Parker.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    Well Wilder looked like a shot fighter against Parker as well tbh. I was hoping it was the rust, and he'd return to form but unfortunately not. I'm afraid his age, as well as the beatings he took in that trilogy have made him a shell of what he used to be.