Why is Bivol disparaged for lack of stoppages, while Mayweather was praised?

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  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Every time he talks about Dmitry Bivol, the very annoying Chris Mannix goes on and on about Bivol's lack of stoppages. Last night, Mannix went into spewing his usual Bivol-bashing, then Bivol turned it up and stopped his opponent.

    Interestingly, Floyd Mayweather received nothing but loving praise and admiration from boxing commentators, despite having only ONE stoppage in his last TEN fights, and that was a sucker punch to Victor Ortiz! Floyd was always safety-first, and just ran out the clock against overmatched opponents like Berto, and smaller men like Pacquiao, Guerrero and Marquez.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Pretty sure Mannix was also very critical of Mayweather.
     
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  3. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    No, he and other commentators like Max Kellerman had nothing but loving praise and admiration for Mayweather's dull decision wins against overmatched opponents like Berto and smaller guys like Guerrero, Hatton and Marquez.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    "Mayweather could have been a legend, could have been, as he loves to say he is already, the best ever. If he fought the fights that were out there—if he had engaged Manny Pacquiao in a trilogy, if he had taken on Miguel Cotto earlier in his career, if he had picked apart Paul Williams, if he had challenged Tim Bradley—his resume would have be bulletproof. Instead, we spend too much time, waste too many column inches on the fights Mayweather didn't fight, of his baseless defenses of opponents everyone knew were not worthy."
     
  5. The one

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    You should ask that question in reverse.
     
  6. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't remember anyone "praising" Floyd for his lack of KOs
     
  7. JBHolmes

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    Isn’t there an interview of mannix and Floyd going at it
     
  8. BCS8

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    Because Floyd supporters are erotically excited by Floyd. Facts.
     
  9. TheShellofKell

    TheShellofKell Nakatani Future P4P #1 Full Member

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    The difference In opponent quality is a good place to start.
     
  10. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd and Bivol are not remotely the same.

    One was a generational talent. The other is a very good fighter.
     
  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No one praised Mayweather for his lack of KO's but he also had bad hands in the latter parts of his career. Plus Mayweather was moving up in weight fighting bigger fighters, also Mayweather before moving up to Welterweight had 23 stoppages in 34 wins which is respectable.
     
  12. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Perfect example of what I'm talking about here.

    Floyd's fights used to put me to sleep, yet the commentators never called him boring - according to them, he was a "generational talent" - yet in reality he never faced a single top fighter in his prime - he waited for them to be KOed by someone else and be past their prime.
    I've often thought that. It does seem that way.
    Bad hands is just an excuse. When he had the chance for a sucker punch against Victor Ortiz, there was nothing wrong with his hands. The truth is, Floyd was always safety-first, afraid to open up and go for the KO.

    Floyd actually fought smaller men like Hatton, Marquez, Guerrero and Pacquiao.

    And Floyd was a big welterweight - proof of that was that he couldn't make the catchweight of 144 for the Marquez fight. Marquez had never fought above the 135-pound lightweight limit.
    But Mannix was never critical of Floyd's running out the clock for dull decision wins. A few media people did point out his ducking prime opponents. So Mannix is applying a different standard to Bivol, demanding he get stoppages.

    But as I said, most of the high-profile boxing media people like Kellerman had nothing but loving praise for Floyd.
    Yes, he was repeatedly called an all-time great boxer, there was never any criticism of his overly defensive and cowardly style. No one pointed out his being fearful of turning it up and going for the KO against overmatched opponents like Guerrero and Berto.
     
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  13. The one

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    You better stop making sense.
     
  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Bivol is the definition of elite. Skill wise he is almost at max level.
    And Bivol ain't a ducker or picking his opponents when it's suits him.
    He fight what is in front of him, when it's presented to him.
     
  15. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was right.