If Mike Tyson kept his prime during the 90s, who could have snatched his crown firstly?

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  1. Smoochie

    Smoochie Indiana Jones and the Harry Greb Footage Full Member

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    I think Evan Fields and Lewis could have been a problem in any stage of Iron Mike's career but I don't really know who else could have caused him to firstly take a L with a focused corner and a team/father figure that helped him by keeping Mike out of troubles. Was the key to defeat him basically to wait, unfortunately, his personal life to crumble with parties and prison or do you think anyone else during that era could have beat him without avoiding that tragedy of lost prime his career suffered from so early? Maybe he would have took his first loss during 2000s and would have reigned the 90s undefeated on some Roy Jones Jr ****?
    And nope, as much as inspirational Tokyo Douglas was, I don't think a disciplined Mike would have been KO by him.
     
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  2. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You answered your own question. It would have been Holyfield or Lewis to do it. Taking Tokyo Douglas out of it, they’re the only two who would have had a shot.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    If he stayed as hungry, stable and dedicated as a, say, Usyk I agree it's down to Holyfield or Lewis. Lewis would have been pre Steward so he might have to come back from a loss and go again later. The jury is out on Holyfield as it's a pretty even split in here whether Holyfield would have beaten Tyson at that point in both their careers. I don't think Bowe would have beaten him tho a rare bird might.
     
  4. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    it all depends on what you mean. How long could Tyson maintain his 1986 attitude and form? rather soon, even if he had the best mentors in the world, especially since easy successes simply make you lazy. I only know one boxer who constantly tried to develop and prepared 100% for each fight - Wlad Klitschko. He had no problems with motivation, perhaps because he suffered heavy defeats quite early. I don't see Tyson like that, with his attitude it's fake that he won the title and defended it 10 times but... assuming he would maintain the level of motivation:
    Holyfield in 1990 wouldn't have been able to cope with him and it could have been the end. Holy, Bowe in 1992 is the best fight you can dream of in terms of style, it's a blast, but I'm a bit worried that Bowe wouldn't have had the glitz to make it a pivot like Ali-Frazier but I think we would have a Heans-Hagler type fight. In 1993, Tyson would have had his best days behind him. Even if he had survived Bowe and Holy, he would have been a bit broken and his style was getting old quickly. He would have to face both Moorer and Lewis, and luckily for him, they were both within his reach. The problem would appear around 1996-1997. Young wolves, not matching his style - Tua, Ike and Byrd had everything to defeat the aging Tyson. Of course, in the real world, he might lose to someone like Ray Mercer along the way. You can't stay in shape for that long and Tyson was the last of the great champions to do it.
     
  5. Evil_Wallflower

    Evil_Wallflower New Member Full Member

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    Tua, Mcall, Lewis,
     
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  6. boxcar bob

    boxcar bob New Member Full Member

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    I think Riddick Bowe beats him, possibly Holyfield.
     
  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Holyfield or Lennox, there the danger guys.
    Bowe would be a danger out sider imo.
    Can't think of any one else beating prime Tyson.
     
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  8. Smoochie

    Smoochie Indiana Jones and the Harry Greb Footage Full Member

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    I thought about Bowe too but considerin' their whole "went to tha same school" dynamic I took him outta of the equation.
     
  9. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would lose just playing the numbers game. Tyson would show up unprepared and get licked by somebody that was not the big name guys.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    As others said, Holyfield and Lewis would always give him serious problems even if he maintained his discipline from the 80's. Both were rough stylistic clashes and had the elite skills and talent to push Tyson to the brink win or lose. Even if Tyson were to beat them, I can't see him beating them twice. Holy and Lewis were far better in rematches than Tyson and handled adversity and pressure better.

    If I were his manager, I'd avoid rematch clauses with those 2, and would instead go for a lucrative showdown in New York with Bowe. Throw in a few more fun fights with guys like Morrison, Moorer, etc and you've got one hell of a career. Call it a day.
     
  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Going into the '90s, the winds of change were blowing. With the new up and coming talent in the division and with Holyfield having made the move north in the late '80s, there were some interesting fights afoot, which I think would have presented some significant challenges for Tyson, regardless.

    There can be no reasonable doubt that the '90s would have been much better had Tyson kept on track, not gone to prison and consolidated the trail he'd blazed during the '80s. As has already been alluded, the Holyfield and Lewis matches would have been the acid tests, but I think Bowe would have, depending on the timing, rightfully fancied his chances.

    One thing I do contend, however, is that Douglas would have shone a light on Tyson, regardless of Tyson's level of performance - perhaps signifying the level of the challenge ahead as the 1990s dawned.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Agree. Outside of those 3, no one else could
     
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  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I'm sad that Zhang shone a light on Wilder. I was counting on him.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    If you mean Zhang exposed Wilder, I disagree. It's quite clear, he's a shot fighter at this point.
     
  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    What gets me is zhang is 3 or 4 years older than Wilder