This heavyweight era is about to end.. who will lead the next?

JBHolmes · Jun 2, 2024

AJ will dominate for a while when Usyk retires, the others are just not on his level

wibispo · Jun 2, 2024

Oddone said: ↑

Jared Anderson: On Saturday, March 2, 2024, Anderson was charged with fleeing a police officer (a third-degree felony) and leading them on a six-mile chase. It's alleged that the heavyweight contender reached speeds over 130mph in an orange Dodge Challenger.

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So?

wibispo · Jun 2, 2024

Oddone said: ↑

Wardley drew with Clarke who has had eight fights.
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Both of them are decent brawlers.

Oddone · Jun 2, 2024

wibispo said: ↑

So?
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Do you not see fleeing the police and committing felonies as a sign that maybe Anderson's head isn't on straight enough to be great?

Do you need to be told flat out that Jared Anderson making constant comments like: “I don’t feel like I need to be an undisputed champion or that I have to be a world champion,” or "I dont really like the sport of boxing" shows he's not serious enough?

The man doesn't seem to care about much, there is no fire.

The subject of the thread is who will lead the next heavyweight era. Anderson struggled against Charles Martin in round five and in the last few seconds of round ten where he was unsteady at best.

You know, Charles Martin who had already lost to Kownacki and lost to a sixty-seven year old Ortiz by ths point in his career?

Anderson faced an older Charles Martin at that.

Tankatron · Jun 2, 2024

I like Kabayel a lot, deffo gone under the radar like a B2 stealth bomber, Dubois is maturing nicely, Wardley will always be in entertaining fights, Jared Anderson will be there or abouts, Moses Itauma is seriously gifted and Frazer Clarke could well feature over the next few years. Adeleye may even become a euro level force now he's switched trainer. Then there's Okolie and Opetaia who could make some waves.

wibispo · Jun 2, 2024

Oddone said: ↑

Do you not see fleeing the police and committing felonies as a sign that maybe Anderson's head isn't on straight enough to be great?

Do you need to be told flat out that Jared Anderson making constant comments like: “I don’t feel like I need to be an undisputed champion or that I have to be a world champion,” or "I dont really like the sport of boxing" shows he's not serious enough?

The man doesn't seem to care about much, there is no fire.

The subject of the thread is who will lead the next heavyweight era. Anderson struggled against Charles Martin in round five and in the last few seconds of round ten where he was unsteady at best.

You know, Charles Martin who had already lost to Kownacki and lost to a sixty-seven year old Ortiz by ths point in his career?

Anderson faced an older Charles Martin at that.
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The guy is young.
There is still a lot of water to flow. The talent is there.
Jack Johnson, Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson... all of them were troublemakers.

CST80 · Jun 2, 2024

Usyk is the best said: ↑

@CST80

What do you think of the following HWs?

Jared Anderson
Moses Itauma
Bakhodir Jalolov
Richard Torrez Jr
Vlad Sirenko
Jai Opetaia as a HW?

What is their ceiling?
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To be brutally honest, I can't say that any of them have a particularly high one.

Jared Anderson is a mental midget, who merely from getting rocked twice by and not being able to stop Charles Martin, has lost every ounce of confidence he ever had, and for good reason. He knows if Martin can time and hurt him due to his porous defense in between his wild flurries, the vast majority of the Top 20, who have better timing, better chins and hit far harder certainly can. Anyone who fights that skittishly against Ryad Merhy, is done at the mid level, forget ever reaching top level.

Moses Itauma is the definition of one of these guys that looks incredible when blasting out chinny jobbers who are just there for a paycheck, but then his power seemingly vanishes the moment he steps in against a rugged journeyman. He fights like a wildman, leaves himself open way too much, that's a recipe for disaster, because the moment he can't blast someone out in 2 or 3 rounds, he'll probably started gassing by the 5th and running on empty after that. Then when you add in how wild he is, how porous his defense is, how he leaves his chin up in the air. We'll soon see if he's as chinny as his brother Karol (I have a feeling he probably is).

Bakhodir Jalolov is probably the most impressive of the lot, he controls range quite well, is fairly fleet footed and nimble, and his power is great enough to dissuade opponents from even contemplating a bumrush, so that along with him being a southpaw will be more than enough to get him to the top level of the division. Although I question his power, it shouldn't have taken him that long to get Harper and Mulowayi out of there, so that's a potential warning sign. Also, he needs to avoid slick southpaws like the plague, like say... Usyk, who would do a number on him. Based on how much he struggled against Kunkabayev in the amateurs.

Richard Torrez Jr. thinks he's a southpaw Mike Tyson, but he's anything but. He's fun, exciting, and his KO's are impressive. But he leaves himself open far too much, and going 5 with scrubs like Moore and 8 with a scrub like Harper, is an indication that like Itauma, many if his early opponents didn't feel like prolonged beatings, wanted their money and took the path of least resistance. First guy he faces that's got a sharp fast straight right with good timing, might knock him spark out.

Vlad Sirenko is clumsy, sloppy, and doesn't hit hard enough to trouble anyone of importance in the division. Also, I've seen a few instances where his opponents have pushed him back with relative ease, and unloaded, and he was shockingly easy to land on clean, with both hands. He has a weak jab, flimsy machine gun one twos, and doesn't sit down on his power shots enough. Agit Kabayel would have a field day with him.

Jai Opetaia hits hard at Cruiserweight, but his wins over those two bums Jordan Thompson and Ellis Zorro flattered him greatly. Had Briedis not been coming off of not one but two long layoffs, and had more faith in his gas tank, he'd have certainly KO'd him in the first fight. Briedis is an excellent fighter though so there's no shame in losing several rounds to him. However, it should be troubling to most of his fans, that when Briedis did lay hands on him, he crumbled almost immediately, and was affected by almost everything and he mentally unraveled. If his power carries up, he might score some early KO's against bums, but still lose at the middle to top level. If his power doesn't carry up, he's ****ed.

Jab in the Face · Jun 2, 2024

Dubois will be a good champ, he has a couple losses but it’s only because he rushed into big fights young.

catchwtboxing · Jun 2, 2024

CST80 said: ↑

To be brutally honest, I can't say that any of them have a particularly high one.

Jared Anderson is a mental midget, who merely from getting rocked twice by and not being able to stop Charles Martin, has lost every ounce of confidence he ever had, and for good reason. He knows if Martin can time and hurt him due to his porous defense in between his wild flurries, the vast majority of the Top 20, who have better timing, better chins and hit far harder certainly can. Anyone who fights that skittishly against Ryad Merhy, is done at the mid level, forget ever reaching top level.

Moses Itauma is the definition of one of these guys that looks incredible when blasting out chinny jobbers who are just there for a paycheck, but then his power seemingly vanishes the moment he steps in against a rugged journeyman. He fights like a wildman, leaves himself open way too much, that's a recipe for disaster, because the moment he can't blast someone out in 2 or 3 rounds, he'll probably started gassing by the 5th and running on empty after that. Then when you add in how wild he is, how porous his defense is, how he leaves his chin up in the air. We'll soon see if he's as chinny as his brother Karol (I have a feeling he probably is).

Bakhodir Jalolov is probably the most impressive of the lot, he controls range quite well, is fairly fleet footed and nimble, and his power is great enough to dissuade opponents from even contemplating a bumrush, so that along with him being a southpaw will be more than enough to get him to the top level of the division. Although I question his power, it shouldn't have taken him that long to get Harper and Mulowayi out of there, so that's a potential warning sign. Also, he needs to avoid slick southpaws like the plague, like say... Usyk, who would do a number on him. Based on how much he struggled against Kunkabayev in the amateurs.

Richard Torrez Jr. thinks he's a southpaw Mike Tyson, but he's anything but. He's fun, exciting, and his KO's are impressive. But he leaves himself open far too much, and going 5 with scrubs like Moore and 8 with a scrub like Harper, is an indication that like Itauma, many if his early opponents didn't feel like prolonged beatings, wanted their money and took the path of least resistance. First guy he faces that's got a sharp fast straight right with good timing, might knock him spark out.

Vlad Sirenko is clumsy, sloppy, and doesn't hit hard enough to trouble anyone of importance in the division. Also, I've seen a few instances where his opponents have pushed him back with relative ease, and unloaded, and he was shockingly easy to land on clean, with both hands. He has a weak jab, flimsy machine gun one twos, and doesn't sit down on his power shots enough. Agit Kabayel would have a field day with him.

Jai Opetaia hits hard at Cruiserweight, but his wins over those two bums Jordan Thompson and Ellis Zorro flattered him greatly. Had Briedis not been coming off of not one but two long layoffs, and had more faith in his gas tank, he'd have certainly KO'd him in the first fight. Briedis is an excellent fighter though so there's no shame in losing several rounds to him. However, it should be troubling to most of his fans, that when Briedis did lay hands on him, he crumbled almost immediately, and was affected by almost everything and he mentally unraveled. If his power carries up, he might score some early KO's against bums, but still lose at the middle to top level. If his power doesn't carry up, he's ****ed.
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My problem with Jalolov is that, from the limited amount I have been able to see on Youtube, he looks like an entirely one-handed fighter. It would be nice if he developed even a decent right jab to set up the straight left.

Also, is he ever really going to be a pro?

The Cryptkeeper · Jun 2, 2024

I'm not ruling out Justis Huni being a force. But this is predicated on him urgently needing to find some power. He's technically first class but I have a question mark over his chin which means he won't last if he keeps being forced to fight a lot of rounds. He needs to get guys out of there and whilst I am keeping the faith for now his next couple of fights will tell us a lot about which way he ends up going.

Other than that, I really like Parker who has turned his career around and obviously AJ has years left in him. Kabayel is a talented guy who could easily take the next step. He's been very impressive in his last couple of fights and may not be that far off being the guy.

Jab in the Face · Jun 2, 2024

The Cryptkeeper said: ↑

I'm not ruling out Justis Huni being a force. But this is predicated on him urgently needing to find some power. He's technically first class but I have a question mark over his chin which means he won't last if he keeps being forced to fight a lot of rounds. He needs to get guys out of there and whilst I am keeping the faith for now his next couple of fights will tell us a lot about which way he ends up going.

Other than that, I really like Parker who has turned his career around and obviously AJ has years left in him. Kabayel is a talented guy who could easily take the next step. He's been very impressive in his last couple of fights and may not be that far off being the guy.
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Huni won't do ****, pillow fisted and crap chin.

The Cryptkeeper · Jun 2, 2024

Jab in the Face said: ↑

Huni won't do ****, pillow fisted and crap chin.
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Maybe not but I want to see him a couple more times before I rule him out.

Reg · Jun 2, 2024

Dubois is very young and does seem to be improving. Parker didnt hit his stride until after 30.

KO KIDD · Jun 2, 2024

Hard to say but right now is exciting. Parker Joshua Dubois Zhang all bounced back from losses and with one champ they have to fight to earn their shots

Parker v Joshua was a fairly boring fight with two young inexperienced Champs getting used to to high profile fights but now they are more seasoned with new trainers and big fight experience. I feel a rematch could be a classic

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