Did Fury and Wilder con the Public?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    I think it's more we have to realize the HW era between Wlad and Usyk as a whole was somewhat overrated. The Big 3 of Fury, Wilder and AJ were the best HWs in that period but they didn't represent a next evolution for HW like some people believed.
     
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  2. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They were exciting memorable fights. Solid promotions. It is no surprise the fights were successful. I think once the dust settles down legacy dissected it was more of a case of promotion over true historical credibility.

    Both fighters will be milking that trilogy for everything it's worth until their dying days (since their legacy depends on it.)
     
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  3. piprules

    piprules Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s in the best interests of Fury fans to make out Wilder was good, because otherwise all your left with is fury beating old vlad in a stinker of a fight. That’s not even a best of your era win.
     
  4. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It'd be interesting to see Fury fight a few in the Top 5 I think he loses loses a few of them. I'd back AJ and Zhang to KO him to be honest.

    One thing you can say about Fury is he was managed excellent, smart match making the whole 16 year career.

    Wilder was risky off 3 year lay off and two tune ups but I think the Fury team picked up on he wasn't any good.
     
  5. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pretty much sums it up right there. There wasn't a lot happening back then so yeah, they were the best at the time by default.

    People don't also seem to realise how quickly time goes. these two fought the 1st fight almost 6 years ago, the 2nd 4 and a half years ago, and the 3rd almost 3 years ago in a straight out street fight which took years off their careers, especially Wilder's by the looks of it, he took a hell of a beating in the 3rd fight.

    It's like James DeGale after the Badou Jack fight in early 2017. He was never the same after that.
     
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  6. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder was juiced the 3rd fight, no doubt about it.
     
  7. piprules

    piprules Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’m not sure it was just smart match making, it’s the whole bull**** narrative around him. All he has to do is put his hands down and clown a bit and his fans give him the round, forgetting that he only threw 2 punches.
    I don’t even know how people can say he has a good resume when the only good fighter he beat was older than Moses. Apart from that it’s all just smoke and mirrors.
     
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  8. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The public should to thankful to Fury and Wilder for providing us with two of the best heavyweight fights of this generation.
     
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  9. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    TBH they were only good because Fury was knocked down, apart from the knockdowns Fury won almost every round.
     
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  10. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They were both eventful and hugely entertaining fights.
     
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  11. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

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    A bit yeah. I think they conned the average casual boxing fan. But they did give us 3 entertaining fights and kinda stuck it to Joshua who was by far the biggest draw in the division at the time by essentially freezing him out and generating their own pull without him.
     
  12. BigStan

    BigStan New Member Full Member

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    The public’s being conned every time someone at the top of the division fights a can in order to preserve their record.

    These fights at least were a step in answering questions about who was actually any good this era.
    If we’d had more of this type of fight it would’ve been a better era
     
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  13. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua was the best but Fury was #2 and Wilder in the back end of the top 10, so not a bad series.

    As alluded to above, only those who wanted to be conned were. Most of us knew Wilder was not legit and Fury had a lot to prove coming back.
     
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  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i always had aj as the best of the era. til usyk came along, he was the most complete. saw him as better than fury and would beat him whenever and wherever they meet. i didnt even consider wilder a challenge.
    i wrote this in 2019, when wilder was being favored over a prime foreman, lol. what i thought about an aj wilder fight.
     
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  15. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    I wouldn't say conned, per say. The first fight was intriguing at the time. And the division was in a state of flux.
    But I do think the pair were happy for it to be referred to as the top two, fighting it out. And Fury certainly used it to add to his bluster as 'the best of his generation etc' while not fighting Usyk later on.
    Ultimately, I think another poster said it well... the fans were happy for it at the time (maybe not the third one) but the passage of time has put the trilogy in its proper place. Neither was the best of the era - more contenders for the best fighting it out.
     
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