Joshua Could've fought Wilder last year

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Wilder could have fought AJ years ago but chose to fight Fury for less money. And unlike this thread thats an actual fact. :lol:
     
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  2. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder before Fury 1 didn't have a big name on the resume and that is fact, it was a list of tin cans, Fury in theory was a good match up.. out for 3 years, whacked on the weight, drugs, alcohol and he was the man that beat the man (then ran from a rematch) so it would have been huge if Wilder could pull it off which he got within 1 point of doing but he should have just settled for the draw and moved on to the next one. His handlers should have been aware if he couldn't beat a undone Fury he had no chance of a well prepared Fury.
     
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  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    There's a narrative going around from Wilder stans that Wilder was deliberately set up against Parker to scupper the Joshua fight while Joshua got the easier opponent. Which begs the question, if Wilder can't be given to get past a fighter that Joshua previously beat (as well as Joyce) then what possible point is the alleged superfight anyway?
     
  4. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If they wanted AJ v Wilder they should have gave Wilder a Top 20 guy to knock out, on reflection Parker was always to big a risk.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    How is that considered a duck? It was made clear they would have a warm up and then fight. In hindsight it was a dumb move and yes they should have fought one another instead but most thought Parker was done at the top level after losing to Joyce.

    I assume the idea was that Wilder needed a win as he hadn't fought in over a year after failing to come to terms with Ruiz, so for all we know it was Wilder's team that wanted a warm up fight first to blow away the ring rust, before stepping in with Joshua. Joshua in contrast had already fought twice that year, he didn't need a warm up as he was fighting regularly.
     
  6. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Parker had 4 or 5 fights in 12 months fighting Wilder on a 2 year lay off.. Wilders handlers are a joke.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think they wanted to build the fight more, and especially in the Saudi. AJ win, Wilder win, and to get them together in the ring, to make it a superfight.
    And btw at the time of the fights, Wallin was higher ranked then Parker in pretty much every HW Rankings out there.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If you don't count Helenius First Round KO, yeah surely, but from Helenius to Parker was 14 months.

    They wanted Wilder to have a big name on his record, and Parker looked easy enough for them, as he had just lost to Joyce(1 year prior). So they though, no way Joyce managed to land on Parker on will, and Wilder won't catch him and KO him.

    This sums up Wilder career entirely.
    They just overrated him once again, and this time underestimate Parker.
    Wilder has always wanted the least risk, and took the easiest fights with calculated risk.

    I think Saudis did the right thing, as this would have lead to a great build up and fight.
    Wilder just never was any good to begin with it. This was the main problem.

    I also think that Saudi didn't want to feed any easy opponents and mismatches. That's why Wilder couldn't get an easier fight after Parker. Saudi had a reputation trying to bring the best fights, so they couldn't allow themselves giving Wilder an easy fight.
    Also it was Wilder that he needs to prove himself that he is a top level boxer, so it doesn't make sense to give Wilder his usual tomato cans opponents.
    But i think Zhang was also somehow calculated risk for Wilder, as he is very old, slow, not have cardio, not fast on his feet, and it's a big target.

    Also having an YES man like Malik Scott help you being more delusional. The guy explained the other day, that Wilder is the only fighter that can beat Usyk.

    Do people forget how Malik Scott was saying that AJ was 2-3 rounds fight for Wilder, and Usyk was a little bit trickier, so it would took Wilder 8-9 rounds to KO him.
    How Wilder wants Fury 4, and would beat him this time, and all kind of nonsenses.
    They didn't even take Parker seriously enough, and was overlooking him.
     
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  9. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AJ and his team have clearly been side eager to make this for years now. Wilder has turned down numerous offers all of which have been double Wilders career high purse at the time.

    Wilder turning down the 100m offer from DAZN and sacking his manager on the spot in Dibella for getting him, Finkel and Haymon and to sit down with DAZN and listen to offer shows all you need to know. With Dibella stating that they had no real interest in making the fight.

    Wilder himself stated in a interview that he turned down more money to fight AJ to fight Fury instead on separate occasion also adds to this case.

    As seen with Wilder Everytime he fought a proven world level opponent he was exposed and lost in Fury, Parker and Zhang. It would be a on sided beat down at any point if he fought AJ.
     
  10. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why was there a need for a big name? he was 43-2-1 with no big names, knock out a tin can and make the fight.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Obviously to build him properly. And again Saudi didn't offer an easy fights on paper, as they supposedly wants the best fights.
    So the possibility for Wilder usual opponents, aka tomato cans or truck drivers wasn't an option.
    And if you look at the forum, more than 90%, and even more though Wilder will KO Parker in the first rounds.

    Parker was calculated risk for Wilder, he just didn't follow the script. Through the whole build up, Wilder was talking AJ only, and they totally overlooked Parker, like he is some of Wilder's truck drivers.
    While AJ the whole time didn't want to even mention Wilder, and his whole focus was on Wallin.
    And AJ haters and Wilder fans on here were telling the narrative, that AJ was scared of Wilder, and all kind of nonsenses. :D
    When in reality AJ has took his job seriously, as he is a known professional, unlike Wilder, who always was a fraud. Still Wilder was a very good fraud, cause if he wasn't, he would have been beaten by one of the tomato cans he was feed. But .... you know ... still a fraud !

    P.P. Oh i also think they wanted to play a physiological game with AJ. Aka, AJ fought Parker and couldn't KO him, but Wilder KO him in X given rounds.
     
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  12. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For whatever reasons the fight between Wilder and Joshua never happened and Wilder is clearly shot now at this point and should retire. We all have our own opinions on who would have won but the fight never happened when it mattered for Undisputed and never happened when it would have been seen as still a great match up,time to move on. Would anyone still want to see this fight at this point ? Imagine if this fight was still to happen !
     
  13. Lecowas

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    Klitscho ducked wilder
    J. Parker ducked wilder
    Joshua ducked wilder
    D. Whyte ducked wilder
    C. Martins ducked wilder

    Wilder spent years with no attempt whatsoever to unify cos he was busy crushing cans.

    Thank goodness we can rest now from Wilder's fans. Onto the next!
     
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  14. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would you need a source for common sense? You don't think they could've made Joshua vs Wilder the main event for the day of reckoning card instead of Joshua vs Wallin.

    This was the original plan. Joshua needed another tune up fight to improve himself.
     
  15. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe Wilder also wanted a tuneup but Joshua calls the shots

    Wilder has no belts or a big fan base. If Joshua wanted the fight to happen last December it would have

    Also if Joshua wanted to fight Wilder instead of Ngannou you don't think Wilder would've taken that fight at this point in his career ?