How will Deontay Wilders legacy be remembered

I always thought Malik Scott as his trainer was a big mistake. Ive always liked Wilder and found him to be very entertaining for the sport of boxing but I think he could of accomplished more with a legit trainer.

 

I think people have a very, very hard time handling chronology even when they lived through it.

Often what's happened is not so much a fighter has aged out or declined as much as thew division has caught up.

When Wlad was struggling to make it at the top of the division, the division featured a full range of body types and experience levels. Then there was a generation that retired and left nothing but Wlad, a full sized, in shape, well trained HW, against a division so filled with short, undersized, and/or overweight, under trained, no hopers the top ranks were filled with them. When you Wlad fight a guy like Mormeck, remember this, Wlad never took a vol in his life and Mormeck earned his shot through a division so sad Mormeck was a top level HW. Mandatory. Then a new crop came, Fury made mando, took Wlad out. The first time he had to face another well trained full size HW he lost. Then again, he lost.

Wlad's greatness is found in his juxtaposition over the division at that time.


As is Wilder. When he was coming up he was training for the jabroni division of fat, lazy, ignorant fighters topped by only Wlad who was likely to retire before it mattered that Wlad's actually a real champ. He did exactly what he was trained to do. He destroyed that trash division and the revisionist history was happening as he did it. They said he didn't fight ranked fighters, he had to, but also when you show them the ratings of the fighters when he fought them folks will tell you those are corrupted ranks and that ranked fighter is not a real ranked fighter and that WBC champ he beat was not a real WBC champ. Rather than accepting the division is trash and Wilder's here to send them home, which he did, they then and continue now to discount Deontay.



Much like Wlad, Deontay held a hell of a juxta over the division. Fury was retired. Joshua was stiff, not very much like current AJ, and getting ready for title elims while Wilder prepared for title fights, so a little bit behind in time. Usyk was a CW. Povetkin, the guy who only beats top ranked fighters when they become a leftover, was considered quality, dangerous even. They discredit Ortiz but Ortiz had been floating around the title contention since before Deontay got there. Browne, Price, Jennings, bro those jabronis had **** all nothing for Deontay and he proved it often.


The, like Wlad, trouble. A new crew, all better than the last. Joyce ain't riding high but dollar to donuts says Joe Joyce proves in the end to be and have always been a better fighter than ****ing Lucas Browne.


When even Ring and TBRB rating have guys like Stiverne on top you should want a Deontay to save us from them. Damn shame y'all belittled him instead, for not being Ali.



Ring 2014 annual:
Alexander Povetkin = Worked out real ****in well yeah? Clean up crew for Wlad to **** all nothing handjobber for Whyte. Sadly you jabronis hated Wilder so much that to this day someone will argue it was Wilder who ducked and delayed Pov. Despite Povetkin doing it at a press conference live for his silly Silver title defense.

Bermane Stiverne = Folded like a lawn chair. The juxta was always stupid and people blamed Wilder for Stiverne asking for more time.

Tyson Fury = True, seems like Wilder makes his legacy at this point though. Only prime worth a **** fighter Tyson's beaten and he didn't go softly.

Kubrat Pulev = This ****ing guy was highly rated for years and years while youse jabronis said Wilder was trash.

Bryant Jennings = Biggest claim to fame is being the marked signal as to when Wlad should have retired.

Deontay Wilder = That rating worked out real well for them. Doesn't at all show how stupid and fanboy driven Ring is. Their opinion just happens to reflect demographics and popularities, and have never once been prophetic. In a time when every one else with a mind for boxing was saying Wilder and Fury are the goods.


Vyacheslav Glazkov = How did he even get the IBF mando in the first place? Either way if you reckon Glaz was ever a challenge for Wilder you smoke weed too much.

Mike Perez = This guy's a ****in' K1 fighter who dipped his toes in boxing at a time when it was so sad AF a toe dip from a half decent fighter from another sport gets rated.

Chris Arreola = American Chisora just getting passed around the title contention picture for no good reason.

Ruslan Chagaev = So far past it this was the last time we saw him.



But, ya know, it was Wilder who made was embarrassing to have around.

 

After the Fury fights you'd say he was still a top 4 HW fighter of this era, but now it's more like top 8.

He'll be remembered for his crazy power, and the Fury trilogy, but ultimately he met a guy who was too damn bad for him in Tyson Fury, a true fighting man.

Bet he wishes he'd continued cherry picking.

 

Not even sure you can say he is a exceptional knockout puncher I mean he clearly his very hard but who did he knock out any top 10 contender wouldn't.
Ortiz is his best victim and how good was he again no stand out wins so hard to tell my gut tell me Wilders team made Ortiz out to be a lot better than he was and his fans when with that now we have finally seen Wilder in with better fighter it should be easy for anyone who knows a bit about boxing to put this into some more realistic perspective

 

Love him or loathe him, Wilder held a legit World Heavyweight title, his name is written indelibly in the annals of boxing history, and he earned a fortune.

Despite any boxing skill weaknesses, he acheived way more than the vast majority of boxers

 

Wilder really doesn't have a legacy. Legit hard hitter who's title defenses don't stand up to scrutiny and the 3 best fighters he fought he lost to them all, 2 by brutal knockouts.

Does anybody (casual) remember Mac Foster?

What's crazy is I can still see him getting into the HOF (and no I don't think he is deserving of that accolade)

 

No Wilder would have found a way not to have that fight. He was tricked into taking the Fury fight and showed no genuine desire to unify or face the best opposition he could at any point in his career.

The best we could have hoped for would be him fighting a Michael Hunter type before fighting Shannon Briggs, Manuel Charr and Kownacki whilst he telling everyone that Joshua and the rest of the top 10 were ducking him.

 

I always thought he could of been very good but I'm not sure a better trainer would of helped Wilder never wanted to learn anything and thought he had everything he needed in his right hand it's what happens when you are fed bums for 40+ fights if he was managed better with fights he could of learnt from who knows what might of been.

I a defeat early on in his career might of done wonders for him

 

He done well to make the money he did most boxers could only dream of that kind of money but let's not pretend most of the top 10 even maybe top 20 would not of won the title and defended it if they was given the same path as Wilder

 

I honestly think it was Wilders handlers that ducked any top fights for Wilder.

I think Wilder thought he could genuinely beat anyone with his power he is on now just finding out he should of listened more to his fisrt coach instead of sacking him

 

That can be said for a lot of contenders throughout the eras, including recently with all these rematch clauses

 

5 year title reign
Trilogy with Tyson Fury
97% KO ratio

That's enough for him to be in the IBHOF. Not an ATG HW by any means but he did help put US HW back in the map for a bit and provided some exciting KOs despite his technical deficiency.

 

AJ beat multiple champs and took on all comers , Fury beat WK who else could of done this at the same time ??
Wilder was consistently fed weak opposition with fake rankings like I said a lot of fighters would of won and defended a belt given the same path as Wilder

 

And who did he beat he was fed bums after bum

 

Didn't say he beat any elite fighters. I'm literally saying I don't think he was the same after the last 2 Fury fights. Its life, I thought you would know that as a boxing fan that any fighter that takes a lot of punishment in a fight may not be the same fighter again.