Joshua Could've fought Wilder last year

RGBoxing · Jun 3, 2024

Joeywill said: ↑

I think Wilder got a lot out of his abilities. To start so late and acconplish as much as he has is impressive but he never really progressed after he won the WBC title
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He did but it was also due to carful matchmaking all his fights was almost risk free unti Fury and you can not deny team Wilder thought they was getting Fury at the right time.

I believe his management matched him this way as they knew he was not going to improve much due to his mentality they must of had conversations with his trainer at the time and decided he/they can make the most money with the path they took and at the end of the day that is what most fighters are fighting for so they did the right thing for Wilder with the exception of maybe not taking the 100m for AJ fight I think they got that one wrong as because that was win win no matter the outcome of the fight

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

lordlosh said: ↑

I don't take you seriously buddy. Your posts at this point are either completely laughable or bad trolling.
From Fury having better resume to AJ and ridicules argument from it, to AJ ducking Wilder, and now the narrative that Wilder is somehow shot after the Fury fights.
I get it that you are anti-AJ, and pro Fury and Wilder and trying to safe face from them, after their being exposed, but no one is agreeing with you, as posts suggests.
You can reply to everyone as much as you like, that's not going to change a thing.
You are saying nothing factual. Your post are clearly biased and putting a narrative.

Firstly there is zero suggestion that WIlder was done after the Fury fights. And after Wilder KO Helenius in Round 1, the whole forum was going mad how Wilder was going to beat everyone inside 3 rounds.
But after Parker schooled him, Wilder suddenly become shot, cause he was smashed to pieces. If his punch resistance was gone, Parker would have KOed him with ease.
Zhang also landed pretty solid combos in one of the previous rounds, and Wilder took it well.

But going by your biased logic one can say that WIlder was shot to piece before Fury 2 fight. Because, you see Ortiz beated him badly in their 2 fights, prior to the KO of Ortiz. Wilder took a lot of beating. And even before the Ortiz fight. Molina rocked WIlder terribly, and gives him some beating. Duhaupas gives WIlder some beating. And Harold Sconier(or whatever his name is), dropped Wilder, and allergy beated him, and they give Wilder very long count and ended the round earlier to save him.

I can make a case for anyone being shot after one of their loses. Like AJ was shot after Ruiz 1, as Ruiz concussed him, and this is officially, not some fairy tales story. AJ was KD like what 4-5 times.
Or that Wladimir Klitschko was shot to pieces after Sanders and Brewster TKO-ed him.

My experience, and that is years of watching and training martial arts, that a life-changing fights, and the ones that takes something a lot from you, are the ones when someone is getting knocked out cold. Like Whyte against AJ, Whyte against Povetkin, and his punch resistance was shot after this fights, this was clear.
And for example what AJ did to Ngannou. This is typically the fight that takes something or all from a fighter.
But it's not always the case. As Chisora was KOed a couple of times out cold, and still has decent punch resistance, even when he is ancient.

And even that being said i can also make a case for Parker being shot to pieces, as just before the Wilder fight he was smashed to pieces and KO brutally by Joyce. He took a lot more beating than WIlder. Parker was in a war with Whyte and in Chisora 1.
So nice try.
Zhang also took a lot of beating by Jerry Forrest, and it's not like he did not eat quite a lot of shots by Hrgovic.

So keep this excuses for someone that believes in the fairy tales. I from the day 1 has always been saying that Wilder is protected fraud.
And it turns out to be the case.

Anyway i don't mind your trolling at this point, as i'm taking a break from the forum, from tomorrow, so good riddance buddy.
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The fact that you dont think Wilder is shot is hilarious and I completley disagree with what you said. Many fighters have come back from getting knocked out cold. Terry Norris, Lennox Lewis, Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns etc

What fighters dont come back from is a sutained beating and that is what Wilder suffered in 2 straight fights vs Fury.

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

lordlosh said: ↑

I don't take you seriously buddy. Your posts at this point are either completely laughable or bad trolling.
From Fury having better resume to AJ and ridicules argument from it, to AJ ducking Wilder, and now the narrative that Wilder is somehow shot after the Fury fights.
I get it that you are anti-AJ, and pro Fury and Wilder and trying to safe face from them, after their being exposed, but no one is agreeing with you, as posts suggests.
You can reply to everyone as much as you like, that's not going to change a thing.
You are saying nothing factual. Your post are clearly biased and putting a narrative.

Firstly there is zero suggestion that WIlder was done after the Fury fights. And after Wilder KO Helenius in Round 1, the whole forum was going mad how Wilder was going to beat everyone inside 3 rounds.
But after Parker schooled him, Wilder suddenly become shot, cause he was smashed to pieces. If his punch resistance was gone, Parker would have KOed him with ease.
Zhang also landed pretty solid combos in one of the previous rounds, and Wilder took it well.

But going by your biased logic one can say that WIlder was shot to piece before Fury 2 fight. Because, you see Ortiz beated him badly in their 2 fights, prior to the KO of Ortiz. Wilder took a lot of beating. And even before the Ortiz fight. Molina rocked WIlder terribly, and gives him some beating. Duhaupas gives WIlder some beating. And Harold Sconier(or whatever his name is), dropped Wilder, and allergy beated him, and they give Wilder very long count and ended the round earlier to save him.

I can make a case for anyone being shot after one of their loses. Like AJ was shot after Ruiz 1, as Ruiz concussed him, and this is officially, not some fairy tales story. AJ was KD like what 4-5 times.
Or that Wladimir Klitschko was shot to pieces after Sanders and Brewster TKO-ed him.

My experience, and that is years of watching and training martial arts, that a life-changing fights, and the ones that takes something a lot from you, are the ones when someone is getting knocked out cold. Like Whyte against AJ, Whyte against Povetkin, and his punch resistance was shot after this fights, this was clear.
And for example what AJ did to Ngannou. This is typically the fight that takes something or all from a fighter.
But it's not always the case. As Chisora was KOed a couple of times out cold, and still has decent punch resistance, even when he is ancient.

And even that being said i can also make a case for Parker being shot to pieces, as just before the Wilder fight he was smashed to pieces and KO brutally by Joyce. He took a lot more beating than WIlder. Parker was in a war with Whyte and in Chisora 1.
So nice try.
Zhang also took a lot of beating by Jerry Forrest, and it's not like he did not eat quite a lot of shots by Hrgovic.

So keep this excuses for someone that believes in the fairy tales. I from the day 1 has always been saying that Wilder is protected fraud.
And it turns out to be the case.

Anyway i don't mind your trolling at this point, as i'm taking a break from the forum, from tomorrow, so good riddance buddy.
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No way

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

RGBoxing said: ↑

He did but it was also due to carful matchmaking all his fights was almost risk free unti Fury and you can not deny team Wilder thought they was getting Fury at the right time.

I believe his management matched him this way as they knew he was not going to improve much due to his mentality they must of had conversations with his trainer at the time and decided he/they can make the most money with the path they took and at the end of the day that is what most fighters are fighting for so they did the right thing for Wilder with the exception of maybe not taking the 100m for AJ fight I think they got that one wrong as because that was win win no matter the outcome of the fight
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Ya obviously Fury was a cherry pick gone wrong

rorschach51 · Jun 3, 2024

Wow, this thread and the guy who made it are hilarious, it's sad AJ and every other good fighter at HW ducked Wilder and a chance to become a champion making millions of dollars a fight because his clumsy ass is so scary.

I remember back during Tyson's heyday as champ, it was a common question "would you get in the ring with Tyson for a million bucks? (big money back then) To which most people would answer hell yeah, he could knock me the **** out for a million. But Wilder made that classic hypothetical a reality by giving the common man off the streets shots to become champ and big paydays. What a time to be alive to see people defending to the death a fighter of Wilder's caliber lol.

BubblesUK · Jun 3, 2024

Jab in the Face said: ↑

Parker had 4 or 5 fights in 12 months fighting Wilder on a 2 year lay off.. Wilders handlers are a joke.
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And yet most of this forum didn't expect it to be competitive, let alone one-sided for Parker.

Hindsight is a glorious thing...

Realistically, it was always risky to match Wilder up with someone who was a clear step up from anyone he'd even beaten, but the hype/myth was still strong at that point.

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

rorschach51 said: ↑

Wow, this thread and the guy who made it are hilarious, it's sad AJ and every other good fighter at HW ducked Wilder and a chance to become a champion making millions of dollars a fight because his clumsy ass is so scary.

I remember back during Tyson's heyday as champ, it was a common question "would you get in the ring with Tyson for a million bucks? (big money back then) To which most people would answer hell yeah, he could knock me the **** out for a million. But Wilder made that classic hypothetical a reality by giving the common man off the streets shots to become champ and big paydays. What a time to be alive to see people defending to the death a fighter of Wilder's caliber lol.
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You obviously havent read my post and description

rorschach51 · Jun 3, 2024

Joeywill said: ↑

You obviously havent read my post and description
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I've read way to many of your posts in this thread.

RGBoxing · Jun 3, 2024

rorschach51 said: ↑

Wow, this thread and the guy who made it are hilarious, it's sad AJ and every other good fighter at HW ducked Wilder and a chance to become a champion making millions of dollars a fight because his clumsy ass is so scary.

I remember back during Tyson's heyday as champ, it was a common question "would you get in the ring with Tyson for a million bucks? (big money back then) To which most people would answer hell yeah, he could knock me the **** out for a million. But Wilder made that classic hypothetical a reality by giving the common man off the streets shots to become champ and big paydays. What a time to be alive to see people defending to the death a fighter of Wilder's caliber lol.
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Charlie Z done it for free and he didn't even get knocked out even when Wilder pummeled him when he was on the floor

JDub · Jun 3, 2024

Joeywill said: ↑

Ortiz was world level
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Nah.

JDub · Jun 3, 2024

Joeywill said: ↑

I think Ortiz was legitimately a world class fighter he just didnt get the oppurtinities that other heavyweights get. He wasnt really marketable because of his style and english not being his first language.
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He was offered the Joshua fight after Miller popped but turned it down. Opportunities don't get much bigger than that.

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

rorschach51 said: ↑

I've read way to many of your posts in this thread.
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Clearly haven't read enough

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

JDub said: ↑

Nah.
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We respectively disagree.

Guess it matters what you call world level but to me a top 5 heavyweight in the world is generally world level

Joeywill · Jun 3, 2024

JDub said: ↑

He was offered the Joshua fight after Miller popped but turned it down. Opportunities don't get much bigger than that.
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Very true

Ortiz was probably on the steroid cycle and not expecting to get a big fight offer

catchwtboxing · Jun 3, 2024

Joeywill said: ↑

Why would you need a source for common sense? You don't think they could've made Joshua vs Wilder the main event for the day of reckoning card instead of Joshua vs Wallin.

This was the original plan. Joshua needed another tune up fight to improve himself.
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So you made it up, more or less.

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