Hvywt Punchers Who Didnt Stop Many Names.

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    There has been fierce discussion on the Marciano thread,with both sides," fighting their corners." and making points.
    During the debate the subject of elite heavyweight punchers came up,and what constitutes one?
    It's got me thinking about punchers at the weight who did not stop many class men,but were nevertheless considered very big punchers.
    Some may not have stopped them because they got stopped by them ,some may not have had the opportunity to face many . Whatever I thought it was worth looking at some of these men.
    Cleveland Williams
    Mac Foster
    Razor Ruddock
    Tommy Gomez
    Curtess Sheppard
    Tommy Morrison
    Elmer Ray
    Gerry Cooney
    David Tua
    Earnie Shavers
    Ron Lyle
    Some of them do indeed have some,"names," on their records, but they were mostly names that were past their sell by date.
    Given the absence of many prime names on their sheets can we still consider them.
    Big punchers?
    Top draw punchers ?
    Elite Punchers?
    What do you think?
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Add Wilder and Briggs to that list also.

    I hate the term can crusher, I feel it's disrespectful to the journeymen who earn their living in boxing the hard way and come in expected to lose.

    But it's the best description for the punchers with the biggest reputations. They almost always falter when they up their opposition level.
     
  3. USFBulls727

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    Good call on Briggs. He has next to nothing on his record when it comes to stopping good opponents. Liakhovich is about the only one I can think of, and it was at 2:59 of the 12th and final round. Briggs had a very padded record.
     
  4. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    Frank Bruno ? Hit very hard hurt some top guys! but not many top flight KO s
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alex Stewart i believe he had 100 percent KO ratio going into the Tyson fight aswell and had not beaten a single noteworthy opponent.
     
  6. USFBulls727

    USFBulls727 Active Member Full Member

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    I had a similar discussion on the General Forum not too long ago. Someone said Tommy Morrison had one of the greatest left hooks ever, and was a threat to knock anyone out, or something like that. I pointed out that he didn't have much in the way of KO wins over legit top 10, prime opponents from his era, so he wasn't really proven to be an ATG puncher.

    Just for kicks, take a look at Shavers' record, and compare the list of KO victims to Morrison's. Curious how people would rate Shavers' list when it comes to quality of opponents, where they were in relation to their prime, etc. to Morrison's.

    Not sure it matters when rating pure power. Shavers and stamina and chin issues, among other things, that prevented him from having more success. I believe Ali and Holmes had him rated the best puncher they'd ever fought, which says an awful lot. Surprising lack of quality KO victims for a guy with such monster power though.
     
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  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is an odd thing that men like Ali or Archie Moore or Usyk or Fury or Holyfield are considered mediocre punchers when compared to these men but have knocked out some of the best fighters in the world where all those men failed to do so. Maybe we should be looking at who’s the more dangerous fighter as opposed to who has more power? Wilder and Galento had all the power in the world but boxed like amateurs and trained even worse. Truth is if u were a contender u had a better chance at getting knocked out by the men I named then the ones listed above. I don’t put much credence in KO% but more who and how often top tier opposition was stopped
     
  8. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is always an interesting question. I think the reason that a lot of big punchers don't have a lot of big names on there record is because the big names are generally among the better fighters in the world, obviously.

    My point is, the best fighters in the world generally don't get knocked out.

    When I look at records I often look at how these "big punchers" did on their way up. Like, did Samuel Peter (a random name, no alliance to him) knock out a ton of guys that had been knocked out a lot of times before, or did he knock out people who were rarely stopped, even if that had a lot of losses on their record.

    Once you get to the very best names, the occurrence of any of them ever getting knocked out goes down a ton because they are the best in the world.
     
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  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that power on it's own is a vastly over rated commodity.
     
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  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Briggs and Wilder, most definitely. But I think Briggs takes the entire cake before the whole enchilada. Sergei Liakhovich was the only name fighter he stopped and did so with 1 second left in the final round to win the WBO trinket.

    He just didn't throw enough or didn't have the confidence to let loose. It worked against Lennox Lewis but class soon showed and Briggs was done despite a spirited effort on his behalf.

    Love Briggs, funny guy that looked friggin menacing. Whether it was combination of asthma, terrible stamina, lack of skills or whatever he just didn't beat ranked opponents by knocking them out.

    He doesn't belong in the class of guys like Shavers, Ruddock, Morrison, Tua, Lyle, Cooney...
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who considers Moore a mediocre puncher?
    Who considers Holyfield a mediocre puncher?
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What else did
    Wilder
    Baer
    Have?
     
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  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of people consider them mediocre at Hw.
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Anybody on this forum think that?
    Holyfield hit hard enough to floor
    Mercer
    Bowe