Dubois did 25 headbuts vs Hrgovic, video count

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  1. pugilista

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    The one at 3:10 was dirty, I agree. But the rest? They didn't really look deliberate to me, and certainly don't look high impact. Why bother with cheating with headbutts if you don't hurt the guy with it? That way, you only run the risk of getting caught and penalised for it. If you are going to headbutt, you might as well do it to hurt the guy. The one at 3:10 was a textbook example for that, the rest–nah, I don't see it.
     
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  2. Serge

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    OK, that's just absolutely ridiculous and so obviously intentional and part of the game plan. Aside from the fact he was coming in like a billy goat with his head trying to make the butts look more subtle and accidental he blatantly nutted him a whole bunch of times and wasn't even subtle about it. There's no way the ref didn't see what he was doing. Even Andre Ward wasn't as bad as that and that's really saying something.

    Both of Hrgovic's eyes were sliced up and he's never been a bleeder. The fight should've gone to the scorecards and even if the ref didn't deduct points from Dubois which he obviously should have Hrgovic has very good grounds for winning the fight.

    Don Charles said they've been watching a lot of Holyfield and Tyson and tried to model the new Dubois' style on them.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

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    I kind of agree, I don't think it was a specific strategy from Dubois to just headbutt his way to victory, sometimes you get a bad style clash and heads bang together a lot, he just leads with his head and in the clinches does what a good trainer tells a fighter to do, especially against taller fighters which is push your head into the throat of your opponent to lift his head, compromising their centre of gravity allowing the shorter fighter to physically dominate on the inside.

    I see this as a clash of styles with a referee that didn't do their job. I also don't think he made a huge difference in the outcome of the fight. It's not like he was dropped or even rattled by a headbutt like Parker was against Whyte, what bothered Hrgovic more were the huge shots he was taking from Dubois fists not his head.
     
  4. Serge

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    You don't blatantly nut someone a whole bunch of times and then get to play the rest were accidental card when you're leading with your head like a billy goat. There's no ambiguity about it a bunch of those were egregious patently intentional headbutts, as in he stuck the nut in quite intentionally and butted him :lol:
     
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  5. pugilista

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    I agree about the low blows, those were 100% deliberate. Dubois is definitely quite a dirty fighter. But most of the headbutting looked reckless to me rather than outright intentional. It is actually really hard to effectively use your head as a third punch without the referee noticing it.
     
  6. dragansimic22A

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    Referee did notice it, Judges striked it down.

    I was curious why did Turki visited Hrgovic in hospital, it aint like Hrgovic is some big shot name that makes money. Now we know why.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

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    I don't see it like that. Was it dangerous, yes definitely, but we can't read minds so can't know his intent and I never saw him intentionally try to butt him by suddenly making an unnatural movement with his head to butt Hrgovic. He's a fighter who leads with his head which is dangerous and the refs job to warn and deduct points for and he uses his head in the clinches to gain an advantage which is a common tactic but again the refs job to enforce that and it's not the same as a headbutt like if he dipped his knees and rammed his head into Hrgovic's chin.
     
  8. pugilista

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    Perfectly put. I would say that Dubois certainly didn't mind if Hrgovic's head was hit by his as he was going in. He wasn't paying attention to not hurt Hrgovic that way at all, that much is very clear. But it really is difficult to intentionally use your head that way effectively. You have to protect your chin, and you simply don't have eyes on the back of your head to see exactly where you can put the top of your head to hit the other guy in the chin or the cheekbone.
     
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  9. Serge

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    I saw a bunch of clearly intentional headbutts. I'm not not even referring to him coming in with his head recklessly. I even saw one when I watched it live where I was like he just nutted him when punches weren't even being thrown. He knew what he was doing when he was leading with his head like that just like Ward and Holyfield did - They try and make it look accidental but like I said you don't get to play that card when you repeatedly keep coming in your head like that and blatantly butt your opponent a bunch of times.

    I bet Don Charles said ''this guy's heart isn't in it'' after watching the Big Bang fight and told him to try and demoralize him via use of the head.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Like I said, if you quite intentionally nut your opponent a bunch of times you don't get to play the rest of them were accidental card when you're leading with your head repeatedly.

    The ref did notice them

    I like Dubois but he knew exactly what he was doing there

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  11. dragansimic22A

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    Dubois even said he will "win by any means necessary".
     
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  12. dragansimic22A

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    If you think about it, Hrgovic was the most bloodied fighter in recent times, I dont remember anyone bleedig this hard, even Hrgovic after Zhang fight.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Yes
     
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  14. Serge

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    Yeah I hardly think it's a coincidence both eyes were badly gashed after Dubois had quite intentionally nutted him a bunch of times and been coming in with his head recklessly repeatedly. Again, I don't ever recall Hrgovic being a bleeder and the fact, regardless if Dubois was in the ascendency and Hrgovic looked in trouble or not, the fight was stopped because of the cuts which were very likely caused by the butts and therefore it should've gone to the scorecards

    Hrgovic still needs to sack his trainer and make big changes but the fight was waved off due to the cuts
     
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  15. piprules

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    Yeah, hurgy got found out. The head butting didn’t win the fight. The was no heart or stamina from Hygovic, he just walked in like a bully and got beat up.
     
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